First of all, please excuse any grammar mistakes. I'm not a native speaker
Second, if this is the wrong forum for this kind of question, please forgive me. It seemed like the appropriate place for my problem.
I'm the GM of a new Pathfinder group. One of my players wants to play as a pact wizard archetype from the Familiar Folio, specifically with agathions. We now have a little debate how powerful his patron should be.
My point of view is „Oh okay, it says you can have an extraplanar being as a patron and you can have the same type of outsider as an improved familiar. Fine with me, you can take any kind of agathion you like as patron, up to draconal.“
His argument on this subject is „But wait, it says that my familiar is a servant of my patron, so it must be something very powerful. Plus I get an aura and Sacred Summoning with this archetype. These two things are for clerics, so I should be able to have an empyreal lord as a patron.“
Personally I don't think a demigod as a patron is appropriate for a wizard, because it blurs the line between wizards and clerics a little bit too much. But we are both relatively new to the game and the lore, so I thought I should ask the experts.
Can a pact wizard have an empyreal lord (or any kind of demigod outsider for that matter) for a patron? Or are the possible patrons just „regular“ outsiders?
The familiar can have any kind of backstory you want, but it’s no more powerful or useful than a regular familiar. And it’s incorrect to assume a being must be powerful just because it serves a powerful god. It’s not like they are the god’s herald. They are more like house servants, so like a maid or stable boy of the gods.
The familiar can have any kind of backstory you want, but it’s no more powerful or useful than a regular familiar. And it’s incorrect to assume a being must be powerful just because it serves a powerful god. It’s not like they are the god’s herald. They are more like house servants, so like a maid or stable boy of the gods.
Oh, I think I made the problem a little bit unclear. When I wrote
it says that my familiar is a servant of my patron, so it must be something very powerful
I meant that he thinks that the patron must be very powerful, for having a celestial being as a servant.
The improved familiar is not the problem, but whether an empyreal lord can be a patron for such a wizard.
Sorry about the confusion.
I’d think the intention was to allow the empyreal lords and other typed demigods as patrons. The class gets both an aura and sacred summons, so it’s divine adjacent.
Many deities are not exclusive to divine casters. For instance, Nethys’ priests are often wizards.
That said, it’s your game and if it doesn’t fit your world then do what you feel is best.