I am playing a Monk and my DM is using the Revised Action Economy and we had a question in regards to the -2 penalty on the Flurry.
Here is the wording from the PFSRD:
At 1st level, you can make an additional attack with a –2 penalty on your first attack simple action during a turn.
The questions is does the -2 apply to both Hits or just the 2nd Hit, as part of the 1st attack action Flurry?
The wording seems like it could go both ways but, we are not sure.
Thanks again for the help <3
It'd be a -2 on both, just like how the normal monk takes a -2 to both attacks or how two weapon fighting works.
Thus, a player can't use an attack, then decide to change it into a flurry, since that would change the penalty.
It'd be a -2 on both, just like how the normal monk takes a -2 to both attacks or how two weapon fighting works.
Thus, a player can't use an attack, then decide to change it into a flurry, since that would change the penalty.
Ah, that makes sense, thank ya.
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This is a case where you might want to consider using the Unchained Monk. Since the multiple attacks done with the Unchained Monk's flurry are at full BAB, you would not have to decide that you are flurrying until you decide to roll the 2nd attack.
This is a case where you might want to consider using the Unchained Monk. Since the multiple attacks done with the Unchained Monk's flurry are at full BAB, you would not have to decide that you are flurrying until you decide to roll the 2nd attack.
I am actually playing an unchained Monk.
Though regardless, i would still take the -2 on both attacks in the 1st action with the revised action economy, right?
No, you wouldn't. Because the different party of Unchained were written completely seperate from each other, the Revised Action Economy system doesn't address unMonk and only describes cMonk's Flurry. Like cFlurry, the RAE flurry matches TWF. unFlurry is completely seperate from TWF, though.
I think the best solution is to have unFlurry grant additional actions that can only be used for attacks, but have these attacks not count for the cumulative attack penalty.
I agree with Derklord. The revised action economy system requires a huge amount of DM intervention to work correctly. The flurry from unchained is a wholly different ability that needs its own take on the system, and you and your DM will need to work together to sort that out. There will be no “official” answer; just good advice.
I agree with Derklord. The revised action economy system requires a huge amount of DM intervention to work correctly. The flurry from unchained is a wholly different ability that needs its own take on the system, and you and your DM will need to work together to sort that out. There will be no “official” answer; just good advice.
Thanks for all the help everyone, after further discussion with my DM we came to a solution.
I am 8th level so When I flurry i take the -2 penalty only on the bonus attacks.So for example this is what a round looks like.
1st Action: Attack +10 to hit
1st Action: Flurry: +8 to hit
2nd Action: Attack: +5 to Hit
2nd Action: Flurry: +3 to Hit
3rd Action: Attack: +0 to Hit
This ends up working out quite well.
And to note for anyone interested, I am actually playing an Unchained Zen Archer using the Zen Archer from EverymanGaming.
I would check out the supplement, it adds in Archetypes for the unchained Monk very well.
What does the Unchained Zen Archer's flurry look like? Because the normal unMonk's Flurry doesn't get any penalty, and the second bonus attack is at full BAB but only gained at 11th level.
What does the Unchained Zen Archer's flurry look like? Because the normal unMonk's Flurry doesn't get any penalty, and the second bonus attack is at full BAB but only gained at 11th level.
Officially, there is no Unchained Zen Archer and thus no flurry for it.
I would probably go with having a "Flurry" action that can be taken once per turn, gaining two attacks at current attack bonus for 1 act.
You can always go the PF2 option. Two attacks, one action, at 0/-5.
If you are playing uMonk, I'd say it work like haste. You can a full extra action (so 4 total), but 1 of them must be an attack that doesn't count against multiple attack bonus.
What does the Unchained Zen Archer's flurry look like? Because the normal unMonk's Flurry doesn't get any penalty, and the second bonus attack is at full BAB but only gained at 11th level.
The Unchained Zen Archer from Everyman Games works in near the same way as the regular Unchained Monk but with Bows of course.
You get an extra attack as part of a full attack action at full BAB.Of Course with the revised action economy it shakes things up a bit.
But, that is up to your GM on how you want to handle that.
Here is a link to their page for the unchained Archetypes (this is 3p):
http://www.everymangaming.com/everyman-unchained-monk-archetypes/
The Unchained Zen Archer from Everyman Games works in near the same way as the regular Unchained Monk but with Bows of course.
Then you should completely ignore the Flurry section in the RAE rules, as they don't apply to you. For your flurry, there is no penalty, and the bonus attacks aren't made at 8th and 15th level.
There are two possible solutions:
a) You get an additional action (and another one at 11th level) that you can only use to make an attack, and only if all you make that turn atre with suitable weapons. These bonus attacks do not count as actions with the attack subtype for the cumulative penalty.
b) When you use the first attack action on your turn with a suitable weapon, you get to make two (three at 11th level) attacks instead. As you only take a single attack action, the cumulative penalty is only increased once anyway.