Wild shape and speaking if the form allows?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

Hey gang.

My Google-fu is lame atm, and I'm having an issue.

The feat Natural Spell states that it allows the verbal and somatic spell requirements when in forms that don't allow for such things.

What if you are in a form that DOES allow for speech?

I'm playing an Elven Treesinger Druid archetype.

If I turn into the base form of Green Man which CAN speak and CAN do somatic gestures because it has hands and fingers, do I NEED to take the Natural Spell feat?

Confused. Help Obi-wan. You're my only hope.


I would say you don't need the feat. I don't know of an explicit statement that supports that, but it just sounds logical.


In Natural Spell feat, it specifically says that you do not GAIN the ability to speak. So... you just don't GAIN that. If you wild shape into something that CAN already speak, then you can cast a spell with verbal components just as easily as if you were not wild shaped.

I agree with Java Man, I'd say no, you don't need the feat.

Although, you may want Natural Spell anyway just in case you ever want to cast spells while you're in Plant form.

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