Severe balance issue regarding the polymorph spell and the Tashtari


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So, I have noticed a bit of a balance issue with the polymorph spell. 2nd level polymorph enables you to turn into CR3 magical beasts.

Now, normally this wouldn't be an issue, except for the existence of the CR3 Tashtari.

The Tashtari, colloquially known as LASER WOLVES, are wolves with phosphorescent fur that looks like crystals that shoot LASER BEAMS out of their mouths. Which raises the question - if you where a spellcaster able to cast 2nd level polymorph, why would you ever turn into anything other than a freaking laser wolf? If you can think of a reason why you would turn into literally anything else, then you are wrong and need to re-examine your position.

RPGs are supposed to be about choices - some choices should be better or worse than others, that makes things realistic. However, in this case, only one choice is valid (turning into a laser wolf) and all other choices are wrong and you should feel bad for even considering it. The laser wolf warps the balance of the game (and potentially space-time) with its sheer radness. Whenever it's name is spoken all vans within a 100 km radius spontaneously generate metal art of a pack of laser wolves running through a storm and shooting lasers out of their mouths. The Tashtari is so awesome that it breaks one of the cardinal rules of reality - that all dogs are good boys. This dog is a Bad boy (the capital B is intentional). It is way cooler than you. It is so cool that it is forbidden from riding motorcycles, as that would be too much concentrated awesome in one place. Of course, being a Bad boy, the Tashtari is a master of motorcycle riding and doesn't care about what is forbidden.

So, should paizo ban the tashtari from being a polymorph form?

Grand Lodge

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I think they could try to ban them, but it would be a dangerous and ultimately fruitless move. There is no stopping the laser wolves


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I remember the summer of 288, everyone on Absalom Station was wearing the Three Wolves Shooting Lasers at the Moon t-shirt.

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Xenocrat wrote:
I remember the summer of 288, everyone on Absalom Station was wearing the Three Wolves Shooting Lasers at the Moon t-shirt.

Would buy.


So they shoot laser beams out of their mouths as a breath weapon. Go LASER WOLVES!

I heard that they are a team mascot for a high school on Absalom Station.


EltonJ wrote:

So they shoot laser beams out of their mouths as a breath weapon. Go LASER WOLVES!

I heard that they are a team mascot for a high school on Absalom Station.

It's not a breath weapon (with cone/line, and delay between uses), just a regular attack that comes from their mouth. They can full attack with it.


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Setting aside the humor for a second, remember that Polymorph has a fairly harsh limit on the BAB of alternate forms. A natural ranged attack is nice, but not as nice as being a combatant build with a good rifle.


It's not clear that the rules for free natural weapons Polymorph can grant apply to the "other ability" specific creature abilities (like this laser breath) that you can buy with a special ability slot. I don't know what else to use (how do you deal with proficiency with your integral tech weapon if you're a robot?), but it isn't necessarily compelled to use those rules.


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There's a lot of things polymorph isn't clear about.


Better yet. Find the rule that says you have to use any printed rules for your particular game. Better off banning the player whining about stupid issues they don't agree with.

Shadow Lodge

Talon976 wrote:
Better yet. Find the rule that says you have to use any printed rules for your particular game. Better off banning the player whining about stupid issues they don't agree with.

Ease up on those negative vibes, man: This innocent (and rather silly) thread had rested in peace for nearly 4 years before you came in here with your apparently anger-fueled necromancy...

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