At 15th level, a creature that fail its save is exhausted and stunned for 1 round.
Does the exhaustion last until resting/otherwise treated, or only 1 round? The stunned effect is obvious, but I am not sure on exhaustion. The fatigued effect at level 10 seems to be the usual (until rested) since no duration is mentioned.
The oracle mysteries, correct ?
Fatigue and exhaustion quite often have no duration specified, implying you need actual rest - or restoration magic - to get rid of it. It's how they work by default, and the few exceptions are fairly explicit.
This is not one of them, so have that restoration ready to go.
It's strong, but more than a few things are immune, and by level 15 it should not be that hard to handle. Still pretty good.
Also, inflicting both conditions for the same single round would most often be redundant.
A failed save makes exhausted for one round. To be longer, the wording would have to say "is exhausted and is stunned for 1 round.".
/cevah
Which means its only ever really useful if the target is immune to stunning but not exhaustion ?
I mean, then it's really just a stun with maybe the potential for a bit more of an ac penalty, depending on the target's dex - every other effect of exhaustion being made redundant.
I'm not convinced.
Depends on how you read the "and" I guess, which might be a language thing. In which case I'll defer to better english than mine.
Oh, English. When will you ever learn?
"you will have to take the train and walk for one block."
best meaning is that the train distance is unspecified, and the walking is specified as a block.
"you will have to run and hide for six hours."
best meaning is that for six hours you need to be running and hiding.
Unfortunately, both are proper English. It is just context that tells us the difference.
The Exhausted condition's most common duration is indefinite (until rest) and so my interpretation is that on a fail save you are exhausted (indefinite duration) and stunned for one round.
It isn't something that can be 'proved' though.
"you will have to take the train and walk for one block."
best meaning is that the train distance is unspecified, and the walking is specified as a block.
"you will have to run and hide for six hours."
best meaning is that for six hours you need to be running and hiding.
Unfortunately, both are proper English. It is just context that tells us the difference.
The Exhausted condition's most common duration is indefinite (until rest) and so my interpretation is that on a fail save you are exhausted (indefinite duration) and stunned for one round.
It isn't something that can be 'proved' though.
In the first sentence, there are two action words linked by and, and each action word has an object.
In the second sentence, there are two action words linked by and, but only one object.The first statement, with two objects, and two action words, it is clear that each operates separately.
The second statement, with only one object, both action words apply to it.
"At 15th level, a creature that fail its save is exhausted and stunned [/i]for 1 round[/i]."
This follows the pattern of second sentence, so the object applies to both action words.
/cevah
Eh, I think you may have just invented a usage rule that did not previously exist. The sentence is ambiguous. It happens.
Edit: Besides, the original sentence doesn't fit either model. The later example sentences use different verbs, while the original use the same one ("is") with different adjectives ("exhausted", "stunned").
I'm not gonna push the grammar thing, as it's beyond my non-native skills and school is just a tad too far in my past for that.
My instinct would be to read it as "[exhausted] and [stunned for 1 rnd]", with I guess a more ... exclusive "And" ? But I'm more than willing to learn that that's wrong, especially if thag indeed is a legit grammar rule. That knowledge will serve well, so I would make it mine !
I do however have an issue with the logic of it though, as mentioned.
It's kind of like having an effect inflicting staggered and nauseous concurrently and for the same duration, or cowering and paralyzed. There's so much overlap between the two it just feels overkill and not really useful.
Plus in this particular case, things immune to one usually are also immune to the other (unlike my poorly thought examples).
I mean, you'll benefit often since not everything has 16+ dex, but stunned stuff is usually vulnerable enough as is.
Not sure that'd be worthy of a level 15 ability, at a point where those immunities become more and more common.
And while there are a few other effects that exhaust for a few rounds, that's usually all they do, as far as I know. Not that that proves anything.
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You know, both of those mysteries are among the oldest, that has to have come up at some point. We can't be the first ones pedantic enough to question that sentence's structure.
Not in the 8 or so years since the APG.