So for clarification, I have 2 questions:
Question 1:
If you use the Dreadnought's (Barbarian archetype) Dead Calm (Ex) to rage, and then come out of rage. Can you bloodrage from the Bloodrager class immediately, assuming you could do it while fatigued?
The issue stemming from the text noting "The dreadnought cannot enter a rage for 1 minute after she ends her rage".
Question 2:
Taking the Extra rage feat, if you had multiple rage class features is it correct that the extra rage rounds are considered floating uses similar to how if you took extra channel or extra lay on hands?
References:
A dreadnought can enter a dispassionate killing spree as a free action, granting her additional combat prowess. The dreadnought gains only half the usual bonuses from her rage but takes no penalty to her AC, can use all her normal skills and effects that require concentration, and is not fatigued when her rage ends. The dreadnought cannot enter a rage for 1 minute after she ends her rage, and she cannot charge or run while under the effects of her rage.
This ability alters rage.
The bloodrager’s source of internal power grants him the ability to bloodrage. At 1st level, a bloodrager can bloodrage for a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + his Constitution modifier. At each level after 1st, he can bloodrage for 2 additional rounds per day. Temporary increases to Constitution (such as those gained from bloodraging or spells like bear’s endurance) don’t increase the total number of rounds that a bloodrager can bloodrage per day. The total number of rounds of bloodrage per day is renewed after resting for 8 hours, although these hours need not be consecutive.
A bloodrager can enter a bloodrage as a free action. While in a bloodrage, a bloodrager gains a +4 morale bonus to his Strength and Constitution, as well as a +2 morale bonus on Will saves. In addition, he takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class. The increase to Constitution grants the bloodrager 2 hit points per Hit Die, but these disappear when the bloodrage ends and are not lost first like temporary hit points. While bloodraging, a bloodrager cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
A bloodrager can end his bloodrage as a free action. When the bloodrage ends, he’s fatigued for a number of rounds equal to twice the number of rounds spent in the bloodrage. A bloodrager cannot enter a new bloodrage while fatigued or exhausted, but can otherwise enter bloodrage multiple times during a single encounter or combat. If a bloodrager falls unconscious, his bloodrage immediately ends, placing him in peril of death.
Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.
Not sure I want to make another thread on it but I have to also ask another question since it'll be related one way or another.
Question 3:
If you did have separate rage class features, from different sources.
If you could qualify for the "extra rage power", can the rage powers gained only be utilized for the qualifying class (i.e. Barbarian) or can it be issued to a different/both rage features? (I.E. Bloodrager's bloodrage)
1. By a Number 1.0-level technicality, yes:
Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.
Dead calm (Ex) is none of those things. For that matter, "assuming you could do it while fatigued" shouldn't be an issue as dead calm doesn't cause fatigue.
I would not allow it, though.
2. Yes, definitely.
3. I'm not sure whether this question makes sense. If you have separate rage class features from different classes, how would you qualify for the extra rage power feat using one class but not the other?
Q3: No. You only get to use rage powers in the qualifying class.
3. I'm not sure whether this question makes sense. If you have separate rage class features from different classes, how would you qualify for the extra rage power feat using one class but not the other?
It was a question pertaining towards classes that gave the class features of rage powers and different types of rages as we know them.
Just to list some examples:
Viking [Fighter Archetype]
Wild Stalker [Ranger Archetype]
Compared to those that don't qualify for the extra rage feat.
The reason being is even though we know the ability as rage and bloodrage to be similar (in terms of function), they technically aren't really the same?
Since common Barbarian Rage is (Ex) and Bloodrage is (Su), Barb Rage can be used in an anti-magic field while Bloodrage cannot.
I wanted to see for question 3 if you had rage powers (including extra rage powers feat) if they can be cross used across the different types of rages. Especially for investments involved, if you did multiclass.
What I had thought originally seems to confirm that.
Ack, I missed that the rage power class feature was separate from the rage class feature.
I'm not really sure on 3, then. It says you gain the effects of rage powers "while raging". Bloodraging isn't strictly raging, though in some cases it has the same ramifications. I'd err on the side of Syries answer for things like primalist. Viking and wild stalker actually give you the rage class feature, so any rage power would work for either or both of those classes as well as barbarian regardless of which class's "rage power" class feature you used to qualify for the feat. But I'm not super-solid on this.
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This FAQ lists "barbarian’s rage, a skald’s raging song, a bloodrager’s bloodrage, and the rage spell" as "form[s] of rage".
Starting to bloodrage should thus fall under "enter[ing] a rage", and is therefore forbidden by the dead calm ability.
That's a bit of an extrapolation from the FAQ, but sure.