Recreating PF1e classes in PF2e


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We've had a fair few threads of people complaining that there weren't enough spellcasting on the spellcasters, so I figured I'd try my hand at creating a version of the cleric class that had the most spellcasting of cleric spells that can be achieved in PF2e. Here are the results of my efforts.

The above rewording of the cleric class is 100% legal by PF2e playtest rules (well, it would be if we had sorcerer multiclass rules. I've houseruled my own version just for demonstration purposes). By 20th level the cleric gets the same number of spellslots for 1st level spells through to 6th level. They get 1 less spellslot for 7th level spells and 8th level spells. If you count the 10th level spell as a 9th level spell then they also get 1 less spell for 9th level.

The class gets a 2nd domain power at 6th level or 8th level and then a bonus feat at the other level. They're also hard-coded to get Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus and Even Greater Spell Focus at 12th level, 16th level and 19th level.

Overall I think the PF2e cleric class is fairly equitable to the PF1e cleric class. It has lost some spell slots, but in their place you get class feats that you can trade back in for some of the lost spell slots. The domain spell slots are effectively mimiced by the sorcerer domain spell slots (right down to both of them being spontaneous).

The only two big downsides is if you want the extra spell slots, you have to pump up Charisma which means you're not going to be a melee weapon wielding cleric AND have get those spell slots back. The other big downside is casters have lost their bonus spells for having a high casting score. But in return the Spell Focus feat-line has been improved to apply to all spells instead of spells to a specific school.

Overall I think the complaints about reduced spell slots are overblown, ESPECIALLY on prepared casters who (in my experience) habitually end the day with some prepared spells at higher level.


Forgive me but how is this related to recreating a 1E class in 2E ? The cleric already exists in 2E. Unless you meant trying to recreate 1E variants abilities exactly - this isn’t really going to happen as they are different systems

I thought this was going to be a thought exercise about how now we know how the system is going to work in the full core book how many 1E classes can be made using the existing rules.

For example the multiclass reviews should net us a passable magus, bloodrager, slayer and warpriest for starters.

Hopefully feats will be created to allow for unarmed (brawler) and swashbuckler fighting styles to be a thing for fighters - although I am sure we will not get martial flexibility or panache

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Lanathar wrote:
Forgive me but how is this related to recreating a 1E class in 2E ? The cleric already exists in 2E. Unless you meant trying to recreate 1E variants abilities exactly - this isn’t really going to happen as they are different systems

It was meant to be how to make the PF2e classes closer to the PF1e classes. Not exact replicas, but closer in execution. So currently Rangers don't get spells, so how many class feats would a ranger have to give up to get druid spells back? Or a paladin? Or a cleric who gets almost no class feats but instead gets more spellslots.

Lanathar wrote:

I thought this was going to be a thought exercise about how now we know how the system is going to work in the full core book how many 1E classes can be made using the existing rules.

For example the multiclass reviews should net us a passable magus, bloodrager, slayer and warpriest for starters.

You could do that as well in this thread ;)

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