| Lastwell |
1. Shove
As a move action, you may move up to half your speed and make a melee touch attack against a creature. If successful, the target takes bludgeoning damage equal to your Strength modifier (or whichever attribute was used to make the check) and gains the battered condition until the end of your next turn.
You may perform a shove in place of the attack granted by a charge, although this does not grant the extra movement. When you successfully perform a bull rush, drag, reposition, or overrun combat maneuver (assuming the target decided to block you and did not simply move out of the way), you may apply the effect of one (manhandle) talent you know to that creature. (Manhandle) talents cannot be applied to maneuvers performed as a free action.
Question is, this touch attack can be enhanced by flaming or other weapon special abilities given by aomf? I think so because touch spell attack does.
2. Counterpunch
There are several triggers can be selected. List is
1. A hostile creature making an attack roll
2. A hostile creature attempting a combat maneuver
3. A hostile creature moving from their square
4. A hostile creature using a spell or a spell-like ability
5. A hostile creature drawing a weapon
6. A hostile creature speaking
But attempting combat maneuver is actually attack roll. So 2. is meaningless.
Is there errata or something?
| Emo Duck |
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1: I don't think so. AoMFs grant their enhancement bonuses to "attack and damage rolls with unarmed attacks and natural weapons". The roll in question utilises neither your unarmed strike nor natural weapons, nor is it a standard combat maneuver with a CMB roll attached. In fact, there is no damage roll - the target takes damage equal to your relevant ability modifier, and that's as far as the ability goes.
2: I think point 2 was included for completeness' sake, so people would not get confused about whether combat maneuvers are attack rolls. Its function is effectively covered by point 1, but it was probably added for clarity.
Michael Sayre
Organized Play Developer
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#2 also future-proofs against a theoretical ability that would have a combat maneuver that did not use an attack roll, such as an automatic hit or one that triggered a save.
It's not theoretical; the Sage from Champions of the Spheres can take options to force an enemy to make a saving throw instead of making a CMB check against the enemy's CMD when using certain combat maneuvers, and that's a specific thing that the #2 trigger addresses.
As to #1, I double-checked with Adam and he stated that Shove is not intended to apply any additional bonuses beyond the Strength modifier damage from the base ability. So an AoMF would not alter the damage dealt by Shove.
N. Jolly
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1. Shove
As a move action, you may move up to half your speed and make a melee touch attack against a creature. If successful, the target takes bludgeoning damage equal to your Strength modifier (or whichever attribute was used to make the check) and gains the battered condition until the end of your next turn.You may perform a shove in place of the attack granted by a charge, although this does not grant the extra movement. When you successfully perform a bull rush, drag, reposition, or overrun combat maneuver (assuming the target decided to block you and did not simply move out of the way), you may apply the effect of one (manhandle) talent you know to that creature. (Manhandle) talents cannot be applied to maneuvers performed as a free action.
Question is, this touch attack can be enhanced by flaming or other weapon special abilities given by aomf? I think so because touch spell attack does.
2. Counterpunch
There are several triggers can be selected. List is
1. A hostile creature making an attack roll
2. A hostile creature attempting a combat maneuver
3. A hostile creature moving from their square
4. A hostile creature using a spell or a spell-like ability
5. A hostile creature drawing a weapon
6. A hostile creature speaking
But attempting combat maneuver is actually attack roll. So 2. is meaningless.Is there errata or something?
As for counterpunch, I do plan on introducing more ways to trigger it in future books, as others have been brought to my attention.