I tried to search the forums and could not find an answer... does the errata'ed wording of the Ring of Inner Fortitude - "If the ring prevents any damage, drain, or penalties that are associated with a beneficial effect, it also negates the beneficial effect." - mean that a barbarian cannot rage, that any polymorph spell with size penalties (monstrous Physique, beast shape, etc) fizzles, etc?
Obviously (I think) the wording prevents using some of the drugs (Aether, Zerk) that are present in Pathfinder, some of the paints (Shamans Paint, Intimidating War Paint) that cause damage after 1 minute, and I believe there was a developer comment that it specifically applies to mutagens because of the slightly more expensive (and more restrictive) Vest of Stable Mutation.
Did the errata basically remove the Ring of Inner Fortitude as an option for any barbarian, bloodrager, polymorph-er, drug user, alchemist, or anyone who gets any of those goodies through domains, multiclassing, talents, etc? Since the ring is not elective, you cannot choose to take the penalty for your beneficial thing and still be protected from enemy bad things.
This isn't really a rules question--you're correctly identified the relevant rules. You'd have to take off the ring to do any of those things.
Mostly it was a question as to whether I was understanding the rules correctly.. I didn't think I was, but if that's correct, then I guess that answers the question. Thank you.
Yeah, it's a bit of a give and take item. Still, being immune to size-changing polymorphs is (situationally) pretty good.
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...Did the errata basically remove the Ring of Inner Fortitude as an option for any barbarian, bloodrager, polymorph-er, drug user, alchemist, or anyone who gets any of those goodies through domains, multiclassing, talents, etc?...
I wouldn't think a barbarian or bloodrager would be affected. They take a penalty to AC, but he does not take a penalty to an ability (like Dexterity).
It WOULD affect alchemists or polymorphers, though. It just depends on what the penalty involves. Anything involving 'ability damage or temporary ability penalties' is the issue.
Raging makes someone fatigued. Fatigued is -2 to abilities.The ring negates that, thus removing the downside. It doesn't actually remove fatigue itself, so I could see table variation with the errata'ed ring.
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Raging makes someone fatigued. Fatigued is -2 to abilities.The ring negates that, thus removing the downside. It doesn't actually remove fatigue itself, so I could see table variation with the errata'ed ring.
Ah, I see where you're going with that. You believe that because the ring makes you immune to some of the effects of fatigue, that you shouldn't be able to use rage?
I don't agree, but I can see you're side.
My opinion is that they are separate things - you're not bound to be fatigued when you come out of rage. The issue there is fatigue in general - does the ring really make you immune to some of the effects of fatigue?
Note in case this still concerns you - There are ways to rage and not be fatigued (be a high enough level barbarian, have a certain ioun stone, have levels of oracle with a certain curse, etc.).