Kineticist-greater self telekinesis.

[Lausth]

Can you take fly as a skill if you have self telekinesis.I am not sure if it is flight.I am not even sure i can take 5 foot step while hovering.Help please.

[Shiroi]

I don't think it requires fly checks at any point, so I'm not sure it qualifies for ranking fly the skill but I'm also not sure you honestly need ranks in the fly skill if you have it, unless you plan to have fly cast on you at various points to use the slightly better mobility of proper magical flight or intended to gain a flying mount. If either of those things are expected to happen, you'd be reasonable to argue this allows you to rank fly or you may just wait until the level you get access to those effects and rank up the following level.

This is probably a DM discretion thing, since I can see it either way, but honestly I wouldn't bother ranking fly with this ability in play unless you have a particular reason to do so.

Edit: I'm not sure about the 5foot step, I'd say probably not because you're using an SLA for the effect. In fact I'd be careful bringing up the subject because you might be told that using the SLA to move provokes an attack of opportunity all of it's own, before you even move out of the protected space.

[Lausth]

DM discretion's......I have bad experiences with those.

[Shiroi]

Lausth wrote:

DM discretion's......I have bad experiences with those.

Sadly that's usually the case with awkward corner cases. You'll just need to talk to the DM and ask what they'll rule it as. Also I edited in above for the 5' step bit.

[Lausth]

I have +23 for defansive concentration.I need to pass 25.Also 5 foot step should be a free action.Those dont provoke.

[Lausth]

ok we figured it out.Since i have no movement speed that is listed in greater selft telekinesis or flame jet, I cant take a 5 foot step when i move 60 feet per cast of greater self telekinesis.So if ı cant get in close enough to something with more than 10 feet reach in order to get in to melee i have to risk an aoo.Which is a wierd choice of design i guess.I just dont like giving the aoo just because 60 feet of movement doesnt count as speed.

[Shiroi]

Honestly, I think most people using greater TK in combat are trying to stay -out- of melee, not the other way around. Besides, even the movement with GTK will provoke, it's not a teleportation effect, so you'll be moving through the threatened square either way. I thought you were asking about taking a 5' step while hovering to get out of melee. To my understanding, you can't take a 5' before or after using GTK, even while on the ground, because you can't 5' step when you're using movement at all.

[Lausth]

No i am trying to get into the melee.I have 26 con,boots of speed and kinetic whip with 20 dex and 28 ac.Trying to get some form of concealment as an immediate action.You see i can get into melee.You are right it is a type of movement so it provokes and you cant take a 5 foot after you use it.I was trying to use GST to get into the thick of the melee while flying and activate blade nova after i used my no action hover the round after.

[Shiroi]

Nice, not usually the route aether goes but no doubt it's effective if you can nail it.

Yeah you'll need to eat those AoO to get in, and getting out will be dangerous too if you can't get rid of them, but I'd bet you can wreck some face when needed.

You may be able to use the invisibility talents for the stealth and get into melee hitting flat footed... When you go that route, remember you also have the ability to carry a supercharge from one round to the next with a full round action, and at the start of your next turn move in with maximum devastation. Even if the 3-burn reduction from the full round gather is overkill, if you find a way to jack with it so you can carry the reduction->stealth into melee->use reduced burn nova you can make a massive alpha strike.

Maybe ride the blast later with quickened blade?

[Kristal Moonhand]

You can't Ride the Blast with telekinetic blast.

[Shiroi]

Correct, but can with the composites including force blast.