Mutated Defender Vigilante

[maouse33]

I know this isn't the "best" fighter ever, but dang, it comes in at the top of the heap I think.

Picture this: a Level 20 Mutated Defender who took TENTACLE every time. So that is a FULL +20 BAB with 10 Tentacle attacks as secondary attacks (which all become primary if it is their only attack, so FULL StrB and BAB to all of them). (Or 9 and raise it up to d6).

Add in a Amulet of Mighty Fists +1 with Ice, Fire, Acid and Electric and you have a 45d6+9x1 1/2 StrB(+1), +20 to hit monster zapping out squiggly death!

Alternately you could go full 50d6 + 10d4 + 15x StrB ... whichever works best. (if there is a 5th d6 damage type that can added to the Mighty Fists Amulet, sonic?)

I realize this archetype will NEVER be PFS legal now that I have suggested this build, but oh was it fun coming up with it.

I know there's a bunch of stuff you could do to add to the mess which is a Vigilante taking 10 1 point evolutions from the eidelon tree. What do you think would add to this.

Remember, the character would still get 10-11 Feats... so maybe throw in some cleaving or lunging or what not to get a nice range?

Attacking with melee weapons and these would result in a +20/+15x11/+10/+5 attack situation. I don't know if you would care to waste the strength and attack bonus on four melee attacks (when you get it on 10 instead). +6 StrB, for instance would be 60 damage instead of 90, so right there you dropped 30 damage. Unless you can make up for that in the 4 attacks it wouldn't be worth it. You also lost 5 from all the attacks, so unless you are "sure" to hit the AC it might not be "cost effective". 430 damage cap is pretty nice for a single round of combat. Great Sword you are doing 2d6 more x8 (if all hit) 16d6 more +4x9 = 36, 132 more, so 562 damage cap (with a chance to lose some versus AC).

[avr]

I don't think this works.

Mutant Evolution wrote:

... He can select an evolution granting a natural attack without fulfilling the subtype requirement, though he must replace one of his hands with the natural weapon. A mutated defender can select this mutant talent multiple times, choosing a different evolution each time.

That's two different problems. You're required to choose a different evolution each time, and also you have to replace one of your hands with the natural weapon. I'm assuming you don't have 10 arms here.

[dragonhunterq]

Also, even if you find a way past those difficulties mentioned by avr, a secondary attack only becomes primary if its your only single attack, not your only attack type.

[LadyDeath]

Yikes, post resurrect, but I can't find ANY other references to this archetype and I really would like someone else's opinion.

Mutant Evolution wrote:

...He must meet any prerequisites as normal, using his vigilante level for prerequisites that require a summoner level. He can select an evolution granting a natural attack without fulfilling the subtype requirement, though he must replace one of his hands with the natural weapon. A mutated defender can select this mutant talent multiple times, choosing a different evolution each time."

Then,

Claws Evolution wrote:

The eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the ends of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks . These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution. This evolution can be selected more than once, up to the number of limbs evolutions the eidolon possesses. This evolution can be applied to any number of limbs (arms) evolutions, but no more than one limbs (legs) evolution. Requirements: Agathion, daemon, demon, devil, div, elemental, protean, or psychopomp subtype.

How does this read then? Can I pick up claws and gain 2x claw attacks with my feet (akin to talons but not) as stated in the evolution, with it replacing only one 'hand', leaving me to take, say pincers, as a second natural weapon evolution as my other 'hand'? Can I take claw evolution at all as it states I have to have the limbs evolution as a prerequisite. I know having arms or legs in and of itself means I have limbs, but that specified nature of "limbs evolution" makes me unsure.

If it's implied because I have a limb I can take claw evolution, would that mean if I obtained wings from another source could I then take wing buffet?

Wing Buffet Evolution wrote:

The eidolon learns to use its wings to batter foes, granting it two wing buffet attacks. These attacks are secondary attacks. The wing buffets deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). Requirements: Flight (wings) evolution.

Or would wing buffet similarly be inaccessible as it requires Flight (wings) evolution? Would taking this count as taking away one of my 'hands' for the purpose of mutated defender? Why is this written this way? It's as though whoever built this vigilante talent didn't read the entries in the Eidolon Evolution list to properly convey their intention despite them being made to sync up.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.