Hi all,
If a repeating crossbow was enchanted with endless ammunition...would it allow to keep firing bolts as free action since the text states "as long as it holds bolts"?
Moreover, repeating crossbow of which material count as being made?
Metal or wood? Could be used Darkwood to produce them?
Skarm
Reloading is a free action, up until it runs out of bolts. Endless ammunition would ensure that it never runs out of bolts, but that's no different than just enhancing a regular crossbow in that fashion.
Attacking with the thing doesn't change at all--you can attack once as a standard action, make attacks up to the amount allotted by your base attack bonus as a full round action, and so on.
A crossbow is made primarily of both wood and metal, so refer to the various special materials to see what it qualifies for. I'm not sure what the benefit would be of changing the material unless you want something lightweight or are concerned about it being sundered.
Firing the bolt isn't a free action, reloading is, just like it is with a bow, but, otherwise, yes. This would make it so that you would always be able to use it with iterative attacks.
Crossbows are almost entirely wood (the remainder being rope/string, made from either plant or animal fibers, and often some amoutn of metal for wear parts liek hinges, pivots, etc). So you could make one from darkwood. It would be lighter and masterwork, though, to have endless ammunition it would have to be +1 anyhow, so the masterwork only matters in that it is a prerequisite for making it magical.
Of course the bolts it fired for free would only have whatever enchantments the bow placed upon them; the ammo from endless ammunition is just normal stuff.
This makes me wonder what an Endless double Crossbow can do.
The Endless Ammunition doesn't seem to limit it to a certain number of bolts per round or anything, so I guess it would fill both bolt-slots at all times.
Blahpers; Endless ammunition doesn't reduce the load time, so a regular crossbow with endless ammunition couldn't be used for iterative attacks unless you had some other ability that allowed you to do so. The repeating crossbow can, however... so put endless ammunition on it and you could always do the iterative attacks. That's why you'd choose repeating rather than a regular crossbow for this.
The real value from this, I think, though, comes from the heavy repeating crossbow; now you can do ranged 1d10 w/ 19-20/x2 crit range in iterative attacks.
Of course, it is an exotic WP, so you would probably be better off doing 2d6 + Str w/ x3 crit with an orc hornbow, since a) you don't need to afford a +3 (total) weapon to do it and b) it is a lot easier to use specialized arrows (with different materials or special magical enhancements) with the hornbow than it is with the repeater. It is also an exotic WP, but I think it is just, overall, better.
merpius: You are correct; I missed that line in endless ammunition.
merpius wrote: The Endless Ammunition doesn't seem to limit it to a certain number of bolts per round or anything, so I guess it would fill both bolt-slots at all times.
Blahpers; Endless ammunition doesn't reduce the load time, so a regular crossbow with endless ammunition couldn't be used for iterative attacks unless you had some other ability that allowed you to do so. The repeating crossbow can, however... so put endless ammunition on it and you could always do the iterative attacks. That's why you'd choose repeating rather than a regular crossbow for this.
The whole iterative attacks may reduce the effectiveness of the Endless Double Crossbow... Back to drawing board I guess. Throws out notebook*
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Solution: take Quick Draw and carry a whole lot of loaded double crossbows.
You just need 8 of them and 4 trained monkies to reload them as you use them! LOL :)
BTW, the solution to not needing it to be a repeating crossbow is: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/crossbow-mastery-combat/
But it doesn't work for double crossbow; it takes a move action to reload both bolts with a double crossbow. So, back to trained monkies with that one. Oh, and I guess (unless you can get them 2 feats so they could have rapid reload, somehow) you'd need 8 monkies; each bolt takes a standard action. :(
merpius wrote: BTW, the solution to not needing it to be a repeating crossbow is: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/crossbow-mastery-combat/
But it doesn't work for double crossbow; it takes a move action to reload both bolts with a double crossbow. So, back to trained monkies with that one. Oh, and I guess (unless you can get them 2 feats so they could have rapid reload, somehow) you'd need 8 monkies; each bolt takes a standard action. :(
Monkeys + Bag of Holding = Profit? Can you quick draw from a bag of holding? How long can monkeys hold their breathes for? So many variables!
I don't think you can quickdraw from a bag of holding or a haversack. An Efficient quiver can't hold crossbows.
A Scabbard of many blades can hold 4 of them. Quickdraw shoudl allow you to draw one as a free action, though you would have to drop anythign you are holding.
So, (by the time you have 4 iterative attacks) you'll need 8 double crossbows (color coded; the stock of each should be one of two colors and then the remainder of each should be 1 of 4 colors, such that each of the stock colors has one crossbow of each of the 4 colors), 8 well trained monkies, and 2 Scabbard of many blades (each colored to match one of the stock colors). When you fire you drop the crossbow you just fired and free-action draw another; you get all of your iterative attacks. Meanwhile 4 of the monkies are trained to be retrievers; each is trained with a different color (matching the 4 colors of the crossbows) and with one particular stower monkey. When a retriever sees a crossbow drop, they use a move action (on their initiative, which they always synchronize with the stower) to pick up the crossbow, and a standard action to load the first bolt. The stower monkey takes the crossbow, loads the second bolt, then stows it in the appropriately colored scabbard.
Of course this all requires that you stand still. I suppose, though, since you only get 1 shot if you move anyway, you could, if you needed to, shoot, move, then drop the crossbow (so that it will be loaded when you need it). Just, really, no out-of-turn moving or 5 foot stepping, or any other craziness like that, because the monkeys will totally get lost without you.
I'm not sure if there is any way to relieve the weight of the monkies, for carrying around, though. I guess they could just walk around with you if you needed, but when combat starts they probably can't be on leashes... so you'd have to have them trained in the heel trick.
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