Request to make Fanged Crown Massacre legal for PFS

[ohako]

Here's the text

Adventurer's Guide wrote:

Prerequisites: Bodyguard, Combat Reflexes, Perform (oratory) 3 ranks, any evil alignment.

Benefit: Whenever an ally within 30 feet makes an attack, you can attempt a DC 10 Perform (oratory) check as an immediate action. If you are successful, the ally gains a +2 morale bonus on her attack roll. If an attack affected in this way would normally deal nonlethal damage, it deals lethal damage instead. This ability has no effect if your ally cannot hear you speak or understand your words.

Sooo...one of my PFS 'characters' is the evil pet of a neutral summoner. I've been told

a) This is allowed...for now.
b) Watch it, buster!

So far I think I've behaved myself, occasionally asking politely if any paladins want to lose their powers, offering hits from a wand of lesser infernal healing, that sort of thing. Also I've been exploring, reporting, and cooperating like any good Pathfinder should. I've no reason to be an evil jerk, after all.

It just so happens that I took Combat Reflexes and Bodyguard, mainly because I can't continue my vaguely evil ways if my summoner gets hurt. I just saw the Fanged Crown Massacre feat, and I thought it would be flavorful to use it if there wasn't a bless on the field. I also noticed that the 'opposite' feat, Scarlet Rose Devotion, is legal for PFS. Additionally, the feat text doesn't say that gaining the bonus is an evil act, and I think that I personally wouldn't try to grant the bonus to anyone who didn't want it.

I understand that this is a non-standard corner case. But hey, Pathfinder 1e is full of stuff like this. Ever been at a table with someone with the Fast Drinker feat?

Thanks for the consideration.

[MadScientistWorking]

I honestly can't really see that feat being legal because of the PvP aspect of it and that the vast majority of people aren't like you.

Also, that table was bizarrely antagonistic and I need to probably need to talk to a few people about chilling out especially since it gives me anxiety attacks. And a way to stop talking over each other.

[ohako]

There's a PvP aspect to that feat? Hmm, I can see a scenario where if you used it on someone who was purposefully trying to capture a bad guy alive, true. Doesn't make it any more special than fireball or other lethal spells in that regard, though.

If we're talking about a table that ran last night in, uh, Ambridgecay, Assachusettsmay, I actually had a great time. I do feel like a dope for not asking how it went for the others after it was over, I have to remember to do that. Although, I have a feeling the player of the demon-worshiping character was okay with it.

[MadScientistWorking]

ohako wrote:

There's a PvP aspect to that feat? Hmm, I can see a scenario where if you used it on someone who was purposefully trying to capture a bad guy alive, true. Doesn't make it any more special than fireball or other lethal spells in that regard, though.

You aren't wrong about that. In fact from my experience I'd trust you with that feat over other people with the fireball spell. *cough cough* Its just that I would imagine a large part of it is that its a large community and that there has been a history of people going too far in some instances in regards to leeway that the society often granted.

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If we're talking about a table that ran last night in, uh, Ambridgecay, Assachusettsmay, I actually had a great time. I do feel like a dope for not asking how it went for the others after it was over, I have to remember to do that. Although, I have a feeling the player of the demon-worshiping character was okay with it.

I was just more worried about whether or not you had fun which I sometimes have trouble gauging. That and we are loud as a group. I always enjoy having you as a player at my tables and just to give clarification as to who I am I was the alchemist. Also, I'm not sure if you missed it but the paladin player has far more dubious and questionable characters than you which is saying a lot.

[Gary Bush]

ohako wrote:

I understand that this is a non-standard corner case. But hey, Pathfinder 1e is full of stuff like this. Ever been at a table with someone with the Fast Drinker feat?

I don't see it as a corner case at all. The feat is not legal for PFS per the Additional Resources so whomever said it was allowed is wrong.

From the way you describe your "character", you are speaking of an eidolon and since this feat is not a legal option, it can't take it because it is not even in the game.

[MadScientistWorking]

Gary Bush wrote:

ohako wrote:

I understand that this is a non-standard corner case. But hey, Pathfinder 1e is full of stuff like this. Ever been at a table with someone with the Fast Drinker feat?

I don't see it as a corner case at all. The feat is not legal for PFS per the Additional Resources so whomever said it was allowed is wrong.

From the way you describe your "character", you are speaking of an eidolon and since this feat is not a legal option, it can't take it because it is not even in the game.

I think he meant its a corner case as in they are far more disruptive options in the game and the most egregious one I can think of actually has the rider of,"Get permission first."

[ohako]

Gary Bush wrote:

ohako wrote:

I understand that this is a non-standard corner case. But hey, Pathfinder 1e is full of stuff like this. Ever been at a table with someone with the Fast Drinker feat?

I don't see it as a corner case at all. The feat is not legal for PFS per the Additional Resources so whomever said it was allowed is wrong.

From the way you describe your "character", you are speaking of an eidolon and since this feat is not a legal option, it can't take it because it is not even in the game.

Sorry, I may have been unclear. Aside from 3 ranks in Oratory (and allowance in the additional resources), my eidolon could take this. So, I'm asking for it to be added to additional resources. I know it's currently not on the list.

It doesn't seem to be overpowered, although it's more applicable than Scarlet Rose Devotion for sure. It's got a weird alignment restriction...but it's not weirder than Fast Drinker (you want the primary stat on a melee character to be Con? so you can guzzle booze fast?)

Apologies again if I was unclear.

[Gary Bush]

I agree that it does not appear to be overpowered but the fact that it requires an evil alignment is why it is not allowed. And not likely to be allowed in the future.