Vampire forms and their effects

[Naglfarthedwarf]

I have a vampire coming into my campaign soon and am trying to make sure I have their forms and effects right. Am I right that these are the changes applied to the vampire.

Wolf Form: Gain low-light vision, scent, +2 nat armor (stacks with vampire nat armor), 1d6 bite (counts as magic for DR, plus does energy drain) with trip

Does he also gain 50 foot speed? Does he gain the +4 CMD against trip attacks and x1.5 carry capacity for being a quadruped? Does the vampire lose his slam attack since he has no arms?

Dire Bat Form: Movement goes down to 20ft but gain flying 40ft with good maneuverability, +4 nat armor, 1d8 bite (counts as magic for DR plus energy drain)

Does he also get -1 attack, -1 AC, +1 CMD & CMB for being large? Presumably he doesn't get blindsense? Keep his slam attack?

Gaseous Form: gains fly 20ft with perfect maneuverability, become immune to sneak attacks and critical hits, loses supernatural abilities (dominate, change form etc), loses armor, shield & nat armor bonus to AC

Does he swap his DR/silver & magic for just DR10/magic or does his original DR overwrite it? Presumably can't attack but it doesn't say so directly. Also presumably can still be harmed as normal by magic & silver weapons.

Note: I realize that the gaseous form produced by reaching zero hit points is impervious to damage.

[Lady-J]

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

I have a vampire coming into my campaign soon and am trying to make sure I have their forms and effects right. Am I right that these are the changes applied to the vampire.

Wolf Form: Gain low-light vision, scent, +2 nat armor (stacks with vampire nat armor), 1d6 bite (counts as magic for DR, plus does energy drain) with trip

yes

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Does he also gain 50 foot speed? Does he gain the +4 CMD against trip attacks and x1.5 carry capacity for being a quadruped? Does the vampire lose his slam attack since he has no arms?

yes, yes, yes, no you can slam with more than just arms

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Dire Bat Form: Movement goes down to 20ft but gain flying 40ft with good maneuverability, +4 nat armor, 1d8 bite (counts as magic for DR plus energy drain)

yes

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Does he also get -1 attack, -1 AC, +1 CMD & CMB for being large? Presumably he doesn't get blindsense? Keep his slam attack?

yes, and correct beast shape 3 is needed for blind sense, and yes it keeps its slam

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Gaseous Form: gains fly 20ft with perfect maneuverability, become immune to sneak attacks and critical hits, loses supernatural abilities (dominate, change form etc), loses armor, shield & nat armor bonus to AC

yes

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Does he swap his DR/silver & magic for just DR10/magic or does his original DR overwrite it? Presumably can't attack but it doesn't say so directly. Also presumably can still be harmed as normal by magic & silver weapons.

no, it can't attack with manufactured weapons or natural attacks but if it has spells (it can still use them so long as they don't have verbal, semantic or material components so they can use still/silent spell and eschew materials), spell like abilities or supernatural abilities ,so kinetisist could use their kinetic blasts

[Naglfarthedwarf]

Thanks for the clarification of what I was thinking. Couple of points I'm still not getting though.

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Does he also gain 50 foot speed? Does he gain the +4 CMD against trip attacks and x1.5 carry capacity for being a quadruped? Does the vampire lose his slam attack since he has no arms?

yes, yes, yes, no you can slam with more than just arms

Doesn't Beast Shape I provide up to 30ft movement and Beast Shape II doesn't add to that, so wouldn't the wolf not get the 50ft movement? I know that doesn't make a lot of sense but the rules seem to say that.

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

they can use still/silent spell and eschew materials), spell like abilities or supernatural abilities ,so kinetisist could use their kinetic blasts

Gaseous form specifically calls out supernatural abilities as not working, though kineticist should be fine I think.

[Lady-J]

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Doesn't Beast Shape I provide up to 30ft movement and Beast Shape II doesn't add to that, so wouldn't the wolf not get the 50ft movement? I know that doesn't make a lot of sense but the rules seem to say that.

vampire shape change is based on beast shape 2 to they get up to 60 of flight climb ect. but land speed they just get what ever the creatures base land speed is

Naglfarthedwarf wrote:

Gaseous form specifically calls out supernatural abilities as not working, though kineticist should be fine I think.

weird

[Naglfarthedwarf]

I can't see how they aren't supposed to get the 50ft speed, it would be pretty silly. The spell description just doesn't seem to say they do, or that the target ever gets a land speed greater than 30ft. Odd.