Skinwalker Weretouched Shifter - Do they stack?

[Marcus Steelfeather]

One of my players wants to play a Skinwalker (Witchwolf) with the Weretouched archetype from Shifter.

As far as I can understand, the Witchwolf only get his Wisdom bonus on his Hybrid form.

I just want to know if the Lycanthropic Wild Shape from the archetype can stack normally with the Change Shape from the Race.

[David knott 242]

Since you can only be under one polymorph effect at a time and Change Shape and Wild Shape are both polymorph effects, I think your player is out of luck for combining them.

[toastedamphibian]

Minor aspects, yes. Major aspect, no.

That said, if the other players have races of similar power, and his chosen aspect is Wolf, I would probably allow them to get the +2 wisdom bonus when in wolf shape, regardless of source.

[Cyrad]

Oddly, the skinwalker's change shape trait doesn't say it's a polymorph effect. However, polymorph effects would replace the abilities you get from it (but not the Wisdom bonus).

[toastedamphibian]

Change Shape

Does not have to, the standard rules for the Change Shape ability make that clear.

[Cyrad]

toastedamphibian wrote:

Change Shape

Does not have to, the standard rules for the Change Shape ability make that clear.

That's debatable. Just because it has the same name doesn't necessarily mean it's the same ability. The text doesn't say it functions like any polymorph effect, nor does it say that it refer to the "change shape universal monster ability"

[Magicdealer]

... It's the same ability.

[toastedamphibian]

Cyrad wrote:

toastedamphibian wrote:

Change Shape

Does not have to, the standard rules for the Change Shape ability make that clear.

That's debatable. Just because it has the same name doesn't necessarily mean it's the same ability. The text doesn't say it functions like any polymorph effect, nor does it say that it refer to the "change shape universal monster ability"

Sure, okay, Dwarves can see color in darkness. Their ability to see in darkness does not say that they cannot, and it makes no reference to the darkvision special ability.