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Of course (most) GMs wouldn't let this fly on a campaing, but rule-wise, it is possible to use the following combo to get wealth?
1st: False Focus (something worth 100 gp)
2nd: Yueral's Blessing (Wizard discovery)
3rd: Fabricate Spell (lvl 5 spell)
What I'm trying to do here is simple:
- Use Fabricate to create one gem worth 100gp, not paying the material cost because of False Focus.
- Proceed to create various 100 gp gems.
- Now, use these gems to create anything I want, because Yueral's Blessing allows me to replace material component for gems of equal value.
Is it, rule wise, possible?
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Nope. False Focus lets you bypass the material component requirements of fabricate, but the effect of fabricate is to convert material into a product made of that material. If you don't have any material to convert, there's nothing for fabricate to do, same as if you cast knock on an unlocked open door.
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Nope. False Focus lets you bypass the material component requirements of fabricate, but the effect of fabricate is to convert material into a product made of that material. If you don't have any material to convert, there's nothing for fabricate to do, same as if you cast knock on an unlocked open door.
But once I have a tiny gem I can make it worth 100 gp?
And after that can I increase 100 gp of this value with each casting?Because of false focus I don't have to pay the cost, up to 100gp.
Also, with Yueral's Blessing, can I make the gem transform into Metal?
Why not? I know fabricate converts it, but Yueral's explicity states that I can substitute the original material for gems of equal value.
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You could also just get rich selling holy water, everburning torches, and masterwork tools.
Those are good, but I'm trying to create Greed from Diablo 3.
I wanted a lvl 20 demon wizard who has various simulacrums producing gems and gold for him while he confortably seats atop of a Throne counting his gold for all eternity.
I'm just trying to discover some way to do it rule wise.
Of course (most) GMs wouldn't let this fly on a campaing, but rule-wise, it is possible to use the following combo to get wealth?
1st: False Focus (something worth 100 gp)
2nd: Yueral's Blessing (Wizard discovery)
3rd: Fabricate Spell (lvl 5 spell)What I'm trying to do here is simple:
- Use Fabricate to create one gem worth 100gp, not paying the material cost because of False Focus.
- Proceed to create various 100 gp gems.
- Now, use these gems to create anything I want, because Yueral's Blessing allows me to replace material component for gems of equal value.Is it, rule wise, possible?
IMO that too many steps: there is no need for Yueral's Blessing. You can make 100gp worth of the material in question instead of gems so the only difference is that you wouldn't need to know what you're making ahead of time with Yueral's Blessing.
Nope. False Focus lets you bypass the material component requirements of fabricate, but the effect of fabricate is to convert material into a product made of that material. If you don't have any material to convert, there's nothing for fabricate to do, same as if you cast knock on an unlocked open door.
So what prevents you from taking a pile of worthless materials of the correct type and converting them?
Pile of twigs, bucket of pebbles, crushed armor, pile of rags, ect...
Yuelral's Blessing lets you use gems for the material components. Not transform the gems into the material components.
Fabricate requires raw materials and a skill check in gemcutting. Which basically says that it's exactly the same as doing it the old fashioned way, only faster. Technically you'd start with a big raw gemstone and end up with a smaller finished stone.
And yes, there are lots of ways to use magic to get money. I would ask my players if they want to play an adventure game or if they want to play a commerce simulator.
Nope. False Focus lets you bypass the material component requirements of fabricate, but the effect of fabricate is to convert material into a product made of that material. If you don't have any material to convert, there's nothing for fabricate to do, same as if you cast knock on an unlocked open door.But you could convert a tiny little flake of gemstone into a 100 gp gem. Same material, after all.
The quality of items made by this spell is commensurate with the quality of material used as the basis for the new fabrication.
Barring a Craft check sufficient for nanosculpting, a flake of gemstone is of insufficient quality to make a 100 gp gem.
Pile of twigs, bucket of pebbles, crushed armor, pile of rags, ect...
A pile of twigs is not the same material as a 100 gp gem.
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Barring a Craft check sufficient for nanosculpting, a flake of gemstone is of insufficient quality to make a 100 gp gem.Um... evidence?
You need evidence to state that a grain of sand is of insufficient quality to make a stained glass window?
A pile of twigs is not the same material as a 100 gp gem.
Who was talking about a gem? I was talking about a chair, statue, metal urn and a cloak. Yueral's Blessing is an unneeded step.
The quality of items made by this spell is commensurate with the quality of material used as the basis for the new fabrication.
There is NO quantifiable way to determine "quality of items" past gp value. You don't cut down a masterwork tree, mine some masterwork ore, make some masterwork thread or find some masterwork stone. False Focus provides 100gp worth of quality/value for the base material, making a twig or a slab of hardwood of equally valuable/quality for the spell.
Do you have another way that quality of base material and components is figured out?
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I think you’re better off with Transfiguring Touch+false focus. Or just Eschew Materials. You get more money selling the iron that you would from 100 gp of gold, silver, or copper per casting. I did the math somewhere, let’s see if I can find it....
EDIT: found it