Vindictive Bastard: What does it keep?


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The Vindictive Bastard archetype basically grants you a ton of features for a fallen paladin, which is really cool since it gets to play around with a barely weakened paladin chassis without the alignment restrictions or just an interesting approach to the class.

But I'm confused as to which features it keeps and which one it loses. Does it keep spellcasting or any of the auras the archetype doesn't replace? Or is that gone because you have fallen and gain no features at those levels? You still seem to have magic, since you gain Locate Creature as a spell-like ability, but everything else seems to be Extraordinary abilities.

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It only replaces the noted abilities. All others are lost as normal. Any conflicting archetype (different Auras or something) is lost in favor of the Vindictive Bastard.

So spells and non replaced class features such as mount are gone since Vindictive Bastard does not replace them at all.


it replaces the mount, Gang Up replaces divine bond and divine bond is the mount.

So the vindictive bastard only has what the archetype gives, everything else is lost by being an Ex-paladin.


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Agent Eclipse wrote:

It only replaces the noted abilities. All others are lost as normal. Any conflicting archetype (different Auras or something) is lost in favor of the Vindictive Bastard.

So spells and non replaced class features such as mount are gone since Vindictive Bastard does not replace them at all.

Alright, cool. That's what I thought but I wasn't entirely sure.

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