Ability damage and ability penalties, odd ability scores and unconsciousness


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Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but I didn't find clear answers after combing the boards.

A question about permanent and temporary ability score bonuses of a non-stacking type (say, enhancement bonuses) and odd ability scores:

If a creature with an odd-numbered ability score has an odd-numbered permanent bonus to that ability score (resulting in an even-numbered ability score and a higher ability score modifier), and then gains a higher, even-numbered temporary bonus of the same (non-stacking) type to that ability score, "For every two points of increase to a single ability," does the creature "apply a +1 bonus to the skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability", or does the fact that the permanent enhancement bonus is already providing an overall numeric increase override the "+1 bonus to skills and statistics" that the temporary enhancement bonus would normally give?

(note: I am aware that enhancement bonuses should normally be an even amount, but I'm trying to write a formula in a custom character spreadsheet that can handle uncommon situations)

Example:

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier) +1 permanent enhancement bonus =

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier) +2 temporary enhancement bonus (which does not stack with the permanent +1 enhancement bonus, but as it is a higher bonus, it would then supersede it) =

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier), with a +1 bonus to Strength-based skills and statistics

or is it just:

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier)?

To further clarify what it is that I am trying to puzzle out here, if:

Strength score 10 (+0 modifier) +1 permanent enhancement bonus =

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier) +2 temporary enhancement bonus (which does not stack with the permanent +1 enhancement bonus, but as it is a higher bonus, it would then supersede it) =

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier), with a +1 bonus to Strength-based skills and statistics

not:

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier)

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The rules "for every two points of increase to a single ability" are quick play. You actually just operate them as if they were permanent for the most part.

Your examples:
Strength score 11 (+0 modifier) +1 permanent enhancement bonus =

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier) +2 temporary enhancement bonus (which does not stack with the permanent +1 enhancement bonus, but as it is a higher bonus, it would then supersede it) =

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier), with a +1 bonus to Strength-based skills and statistics

or is it just:

Strength score 12 (+1 modifier)? yes

Strength score 10 (+0 modifier) +1 permanent enhancement bonus = +0

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier) +2 temporary enhancement bonus (which does not stack with the permanent +1 enhancement bonus, but as it is a higher bonus, it would then supersede it) = +1

Strength score 11 (+0 modifier), with a +1 bonus to Strength-based skills and statistics = +0 and +1 on strength-based skills and abilities, not statistics right?

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