why are the Gray Maidens in this AP listed as Chaotic Neutral?
For someone who "follows their whims" it doesn't come across as a fanatically loyal group of people? The Gray Maidens were organized and ruthless, seems a bit more LN or LE, just like the Hell Knights.
Groups called eyrines company and illeosa's avengers seem like they wouldn't have followed too far from the "path".
Yes I get CN is a great "merc" alignment, but why are they CN? Because after the fall of Illeosa's regime they sort of "cracked" and changed alignment? I kind of find it hard to believe they were always following their whims, they wouldn't have 'qualified' as Maidens for Illeosa, as she had ways of telling what their alignment and true self actually thought and believed.
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They're chaotic because they're broken versions of a once much better organized group, and because they're anarchists who want to overthrow a city, and because they've been even further influenced by their new "leader" and new situation they find themselves in.
Chaotic, in any event, doesn't automatically mean "cannot work together." Elves do. Demons do. Chaotic PCs do.
no I didn't mean that they couldnt work together, just the "whimsical" alignment didn't fit their former status and fanatically loyal followers of Illeosa, so I was assuming there was an alignment shift, just wanted to know "why" they had an alignment shift.... thanks.
would have to be an "anarchist" (and there for chaotic) if you wanted to overthrow a city that was technically once yours to begin with?
Couldn't two "lawful" groups vie for control of the same city? Like say Lawful Evil vs. Lawful good? They would be chaotic or have an alignment shift, simply because they plotted to overthrow the current power? would they? Because as I understood, devils are ALWAYS lawful
AND always plotting to overthrow someone. (hence the LE climb to the top over the face of your buddy paradigm)
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no I didn't mean that they couldnt work together, just the "whimsical" alignment didn't fit their former status and fanatically loyal followers of Illeosa, so I was assuming there was an alignment shift, just wanted to know "why" they had an alignment shift.... thanks.
The loss of their high-ranking handlers and their controlling methods probably played a big part. The further cracking of individual Maidens after their already deep psychological damage probably makes up a large percentage of the rest.
I actually had a PC who followed the same path. Even before Lady's Light came out she had decided to be an ex-Gray Maiden who went from LN to CN alignment after the destruction of the organization. Disgrace of leaders she had put her faith in and the destruction of an organization she was fanatically devoted to (to the point of getting permanent facial scars) fundamentally altered her outlook on life. She wasn't "whimsical," she just didn't care about anything anymore beyond her personal desires. She was still pragmatic, but simply didn't care about law, custom, or the desires of others.
Based on that, that many Gray Maidens would follow a similar path and become CN actually made a lot of sense to me.
