Maneuver Master, dirty trick, and shaken, making someone panicked?


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so just wondering if i hit a baddie 3 times in a round with a dirty trick shaken does the condition stack to make said baddie the panicked condition?


Nope, you need Dirty Trick Master for that. Only the duration stacks.


LoneKnave wrote:
Nope, you need Dirty Trick Master for that. Only the duration stacks.

are you sure?

in the dirty trick description it doesn't say they do not stack

and the fear condition does stack

Becoming Even More Fearful: Fear effects are cumulative. A shaken character who is made shaken again becomes frightened, and a shaken character who is made frightened becomes panicked instead. A frightened character who is made shaken or frightened becomes panicked instead.

it seems like it would work


BOO!!! I'm shaken

BOO!!! I'm shaken
BOO AGAIN!!!! Why are you yelling BOO!!!

BOO!!! I'm shaken
BOO AGAIN!!!! Why are you yelling BOO!!!
BOO A THIRD TIME!!! I'm pissed at you...

Using the same trick again by the same person should not stack. In most monster wright ups I've seen, the same fear affect can not effect the same person more than once a day.

What Dirty trick master dose is give you multiple types of tricks that stack.

Liberty's Edge

So, everyone's consensus seems to be "No, it shouldn't stack", and lots of examples are given as to why it shouldn't, but the only RAW listed in this thread ("Becoming Even More Fearful") indicates that it does. I'll grant that Dirty Trick Master certainly seems to indicate that you can't move shaken up to frightened, but I see nothing RAW in either the Dirty Trick rules or the fear rules that indicate that to be the case.

If I were GMing a home game and this came up, I might rule you couldn't stack the conditions, simply because Dirty Trick Master exists. On the other hand, if I were GMing a PFS game and this came up, I'd be compelled by RAW to allow it to work.

FAQed.

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