Vetala Born Dhampir

[Zach Davis]

The racial ability modifiers for Vetala born Dhampir are different in Blood of the Night (+2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int) than in Inner Sea Races (+2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Wis). Should I assume Inner Sea Races is correct since it is the newer source?

[SCPRedMage]

Additional Resources wrote:

Races: A dhamphir or skinwalker PC can use the following different statistics as alternate racial options supported by the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign rather than those options that appear in Blood of the Moon and Blood of the Night: jiang-shi born, vetala-born, wereboar-kin, and werecrocodile-kin.

You can use the statitstics in Inner Sea Races instead of the ones from Blood of the Night, but you don't have to. You may use the stats presented in either book, so long as you own said book.

[Zach Davis]

Wow totally missed the "can" in there. Thanks.

[RSX Raver]

Actually it is not a can. It has been errated, check this link

[Viliym]

For PFS, though, we go with what the Additional Resources document tells us.

[SCPRedMage]

RSX Raver wrote:

Actually it is not a can. It has been errated, check this link

That is neither a post from the Pathfinder Design Team, and thus not official errata as far as PFS is concerned, nor is it a post from the PFS campaign team, and thus not an official clarification.

Which is to say, per PFS rules, if you're using Blood of the Night to gain access to vetala-born dhampirs, you use the stats actually printed in that book; if you're using Inner Sea Races to gain access, you use the stats printed in that book; if you have both books, you can choose which version to use.

[RSX Raver]

SCPRedMage wrote:

RSX Raver wrote:

Actually it is not a can. It has been errated, check this link

That is neither a post from the Pathfinder Design Team, and thus not official errata as far as PFS is concerned, nor is it a post from the PFS campaign team, and thus not an official clarification.

Which is to say, per PFS rules, if you're using Blood of the Night to gain access to vetala-born dhampirs, you use the stats actually printed in that book; if you're using Inner Sea Races to gain access, you use the stats printed in that book; if you have both books, you can choose which version to use.

That is an official errata to the Blood of Night book from a Paizo developer. So if you are using the book then it would read +2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis.

[SCPRedMage]

RSX Raver wrote:

That is an official errata to the Blood of Night book from a Paizo developer. So if you are using the book then it would read +2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis.

Again, no. Here's Mark Seifter (currently working for Paizo as a Designer) on the subject:

Mark Seifter wrote:

Lorewalker wrote:

Kamiizumi Nobutsuna wrote:

So, I still confusd.

I "should" follow SKR, jason...'s word.
OR
I make the rule more "clear" by their word.

Different between them are "Should or not"

If in PF, I can ask my GM.
But in PFS, GM "should" follow the rule, no matter personal will.

You should follow any SKR ruling from before the Pathfinder Design Team account was created. As those are 'official'. Also, you must follow any post by the Pathfinder Design Team, those are as official as FAQs. Though, that account is usually used to declare a FAQ was posted.

No personal designer posts are official, whether or not they were before the PDT account was created (Stephen posted to that effect, I think after something in a Mounted Combat thread that I was participating in as a fan at the time). You don't need to search for any of our old posts. That said, the PFS staff official posts are binding, as others have said above.

If it isn't a post by the PDT account or the PFS staff, it isn't binding, period.

[RSX Raver]

SCPRedMage wrote:

RSX Raver wrote:

That is an official errata to the Blood of Night book from a Paizo developer. So if you are using the book then it would read +2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis.

Again, no. Here's Mark Seifter (currently working for Paizo as a Designer) on the subject:

Mark Seifter wrote:

Lorewalker wrote:

Kamiizumi Nobutsuna wrote:

So, I still confusd.

I "should" follow SKR, jason...'s word.
OR
I make the rule more "clear" by their word.

Different between them are "Should or not"

If in PF, I can ask my GM.
But in PFS, GM "should" follow the rule, no matter personal will.

You should follow any SKR ruling from before the Pathfinder Design Team account was created. As those are 'official'. Also, you must follow any post by the Pathfinder Design Team, those are as official as FAQs. Though, that account is usually used to declare a FAQ was posted.

No personal designer posts are official, whether or not they were before the PDT account was created (Stephen posted to that effect, I think after something in a Mounted Combat thread that I was participating in as a fan at the time). You don't need to search for any of our old posts. That said, the PFS staff official posts are binding, as others have said above.

If it isn't a post by the PDT account or the PFS staff, it isn't binding, period.

That would be good info to put into the Guild Guide.

Also is there a difference between a "designer" and a "developer"?

[Nefreet]

Only in that they're spelled differently, and human beings think in terms of synonyms.

[DesolateHarmony]

In Paizo terms, the Designers work for the Pathfinder Design Team, aka the rules guys. Developers work on lots of different books.

From Organized Play Guide, season 9:

Lead Designer • Jason Bulmahn
Senior Designer • Stephen Radney-MacFarland
Designers • Logan Bonner and Mark Seifter

Senior Developer • Robert G. McCreary
Organized Play Lead Developer • John Compton
Developers • Crystal Frasier, Jason Keeley,
Mark Moreland, Joe Pasini, Owen K.C. Stephens,
and Linda Zayas-Palmer