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This looks pretty awesome, and I hope it is a great movie. Fox is taking a huge step giving us something so scary looking in an "XMEN" film. (What 'verse is this in? Deadpoolverse? Pre-DOFP? Post-DOFP? Either of the current TV show verses?)
Showed my wife the trailer: "That's a horror movie. You're gonna have to watch that one without me."
I'm pretty arch, it's post DOFP so somewhere between Apocalyse and Dark Phoenix...maybe?
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Early enough so that Warlock won't be present. I wonder if Lockheed will slip in
I doubt it. If the X-men haven't met aliens, I don't see how an alien dragon is going to show up.
My guess is that comes after Dark Phoenix and possibly the Sha'ir.
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Well, I give them full marks for setting a tone that distinguishes this from their other offerings.
And that looked like one of the Right's "smile-faces" in a less comic-booky style.
I'm in.
Jeff,
The director SAYS it's connected. At this point I dunno. But it's possible.
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HUH...
yeah I just saw a storyboard animation....so we are going to get....a giant demonic monster bear as an antagonist in an xmen movie? Sweet...
Yep. Demon Bear is a thing now. I'd still rather they do Inferno but eh.
I doubt it. If the X-men haven't met aliens, I don't see how an alien dragon is going to show up.
My guess is that comes after Dark Phoenix and possibly the Sha'ir.
There's a storyboard animation floating around that totally shows lockheed, and there is a quick image in the trailer of a young Magik with a stuffed dragon that looks like Lockheed. Maybe she turns her stuffed dragon into a real one?
Inferno seems to be too wide reaching. Went across multiple Marvel titles.
Is it even directly connected to the X-Men? There weren't really any hints of it in the trailer.
It doesn't look like they're starting as X-Men-in-training, but in some institution.
Honestly the movies that have the least connection of late with X-men seem to be the best. Logan was pretty good although existing in its own dark future timeline, and Deadpool has some xmen cameos but otherwise doesn't do much with them, a fact that the movie itself makes fun of.
X-men Apocalypse kind of sucked so I don't want a reminder of that.
Manny,
Well yes and no... I mean it had some other Marvel titles, sure but the fact Hell (or a reasonable facsimile) thereof comes to NYC (or some part of the US) is possible. They'd just have to find maybe...I dunno. Someone other than Strange maybe?
MMC,
I doubt that but we'll see come the next trailer.
Inferno would be a very strange starting point. It was the resolution of a huge number of storylines. Plus, S'ym and N'astirh?
Sissyl, who said it had to start there? I just wanted a way to get to it. :p ;)
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Shadowking might be a good horror adaption. Especially what Karma had to go through.
It doesn't look like they're starting as X-Men-in-training, but in some institution.
Yeah, this is looking more like some fetishy child-torture porn than a serious movie. The only thing recognizable was the smiley face.
Depending on who is in it - it looks like either Karma or Mirage (and unfortunately the casting is such that I can't quite tell who they were shooting for- possibly both), but if it is Karma, between her and Illyana (who definitely seems to be in it), the 'locked in an institution' plot seems a non-starter.
I assume the mousy looking redhead is Rahne, who likely gets the fun job of being the baggage.
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This is not tied to any other X-Men movie or canon, I heard. Lockheed and Warlock are supposed to be in this in some form- Illyana has a purple dragon plushie at least.
Cast looks good, though still kinda iffy about Sunspot not being afro-brazilian. But Maisie looks perfect as Rahne, and Charlie Heaton I imagine will be pretty darn good Cannonball.
Trailer itself does not do that much for me. It very much looks like modern brand of horror movies with jump scares, which has never done anything special for me. I hope that future trailers show little more of the character's powers, since that is part that will elevate this from regular horror movie to something special.
Fox has been hitting it out of the Park with Hard R rated X-Men stuff, so maybe this will follow that.
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Dani's power is telepathic projection of a person's most deep seated fear. One of the earliest storylines was about things getting hallucinogenically screwy at Xavier's School because a Brood Queen was using Xavier's telepathy to manifest Dani's power without her knowledge, which lead her to consider suicide because she believed she was going crazy. (At least, that's what I remember from more than thirty years ago, forgive any errors.)
I doubt they'll include the Brood, but expecting this movie not to use horror genre motifs is like expecting a Superman movie not to feature super-strength or invulnerability.
Hitdice,
I think they already did that in Man of Steel...sort of.
But regardless, I still like Inferno better than Demon Bear.
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Ah yea, I remember the issue where Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat was alone with a Brood Queen in the mansion. That worked great as a horror issue.
New Mutants storyboard animation.
This is the storyboard thing I mentioned above. If this is something like what we see in the movie (and I'll note that Cannonball in the trailer and this scene seems to have an injured arm), this would suggest Lockheed showing up int he movie besides confirming giant kaiju bear...
Not sure I'd call Demon Bear a Kaiju. I mean if we look at the giant monsters in Marvel lore, he's not even bigger than Juggernaut.
Not sure I'd call Demon Bear a Kaiju. I mean if we look at the giant monsters in Marvel lore, he's not even bigger than Juggernaut.
Well..not Kaiju. But any bear which has a head that fills and entire large hallway is at least semi-Kaiju...
Eh. How about Dire bear?
Guys...I was just using Kaiju as a hyperbolic way of saying "ginormous building smashing monster" not some sort of scientific classification :)
And if Dire Bears are Arctodus (e.g. Short-faced Bears) in Pathfinder, than I am pretty sure the demon bear in that animation could fit one in its mouth.
Eh...I still don't think it's that big....
Eh...I still don't think it's that big....
comic or movie?
Again, if that animation's storyboard is legit (and I think it came out long before the director confirmed what the storyline would be, so I am guessing it mostly is), than the Demon Bear is going to be pretty massive.
At any rate, the director (assuming the movie is a success and he sticks around for all three movies) plans on making this a horror trilogy. So what would be the other storylines that could be adapted to fill that niche?
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As drawn by Sienkiewicz, the demon bear was much, much bigger than your average bear. Kaiju big? Okay, but I doubt Godzilla or a Jaeger is going to show up to fight it in a New Mutants movie.
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again....hyperbole...
Bigger than you average bear? No question. Bigger than Godzilla or even the mighty Fing Fang Foom? No way. Not even bigger than Galactus' foot.
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(Why do I see MMCJawa screaming to a pillow somewhere right now)
But it is interesting to see if and how much this makes bank. It could draw the horror crowd too, but it is relatively unknown title. Logan and Deadpool where for one a very popular characters before that. COmic fans might know New Mutants, but there is not one character even on the main X-Men level of familiarity.
Good thing they have Maisie and Heaton, because they might draw some people in as well.
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Interesting aside, both Stark sisters are now X-MEN actors. As popular as Arya is in the general ephemera, Maisie being in it is indeed likely to be a draw. And Anya Taylor-Joy is an up and comer in the suspense/horror genre sure to bring along some horror fans who liked her in Split and The Witch.
I would expect the production budget on it to be somewhere around the 80M mark, falling right in the medium budget range between the 60M Deadpool and 100M Logan, but firmly in the high risk low budget realm. I mean really, between DP and Logan, they have about $1B left after both production, marketing, and distribution budgets. I'm sure some exec at Fox is pushing the 'keep it low, bank the dough' mantra, hoping to pull a hat trick with this.
Problematic, though, may be how the horror elements translate well to China. Will Fox have to make whatever this demon bear you all are talking about sufficiently fantastical in origin and implementation to avoid being something spiritual, or will Fox just film a bit more to wiggle a Chinese cut of the film that plants the movie more in fantasy than in demons. But then again, China is pretty inconsistent these days when it comes to bigger budget films and the cultural censor hammer.
Why do you think there's some sort of chinese cultural incompatibility with the idea of a demon bear? They've got demons and they've got bears. I don't mean to sound dickish, but I can't see why it would possibly be an issue.
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Because the Chinese Gov likes to censor films that have spirituality elements, particularly western spirituality elements like demons and angels and what have you. Crimson Peak, for instance, was banned for having ghosts. The ruling Party has a strict secular ideology, and have been known in the past to filter out the west through that ideology. Here is a short article from this June about some horror movies getting into China, that helps paint the hurdle that films face.
Here is a list of the no-no's in China cinema (emphasis mine):
Violations of the basic principles of the Constitution of China, incitement of resistance to or undermining of implementation of the Constitution, laws, or administrative regulations;
Endangerment of the national unity, sovereignty or territorial integrity; leaking state secrets; endangering national security; harming national dignity,honor or interests; advocating terrorism or extremism;
Belittling exceptional ethnic cultural traditions, incitement of ethnic hatred or ethnic discrimination, violations of ethnic customs, distortion of ethnic history or ethnic historical figures, injuring ethnic sentiments or undermining ethnic unity;
Inciting the undermining of national religious policy, advocating cults or superstitions;
Endangerment of social morality, disturbing social order, undermining social stability; promoting pornography, gambling, drug use, violence, or terror; instigation of crimes or imparting criminal methods;
Violations of the lawful rights and interests of minors or harming the physical and psychological health of minors;
Insults of defamation of others, or spreading others' private information and infringement of others' lawful rights and interests;
Other content prohibited by laws or administrative regulations.
The arguement could be made about whatever religious connotations accompany a demon bear (unlikely to be any in the film though), but there is always the "advocating supersistions" and "harming the [...] psychological health of minors."
Okay, sure, but that's all just typical state censorship stuff. I thought you were taking about some separate cultural incompatibility the way you emphasized the demon bear. I mean, just about any movie on earth might lose China because the state censors don't like something about it.
Ah yea, I remember the issue where Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat was alone with a Brood Queen in the mansion. That worked great as a horror issue.If that's the Christmas issue I remember, it wasn't actually Brood, but some kind of demon. Roasted it with the Blackbird's afterburners, IIRC.
Yeah. The N'Garai* For whatever reason there is a portal to whatever realm they fled to on the grounds of Xavier's mansion. Cyclops blasted it open after the Xmen reformed (when the title was rebooted with storm, wolvie, colossus and so on), then 4 years after that ('80) they do a 'Christmas' story (in March) with Kitty all alone with a random demon that squeezed through the wreckage, long after they'd forgotten about the random portal to a Hell Dimension they have laying around.
*As should not be surprising, they're throw away Elder Things that ruled Earth before humanity and they want it back. They've popped up in a few other titles. Honestly, they aren't very interesting.
N'Garai aren't that interesting. Elder Gods are cool though. At least Chthon is. :)
Anyways, if they do adapt more horror, they should do a Marvel Zombies thingie. Or Man-Thing.
They already did a horror movie with Man-thing. I...don't remember it being any good
I have a feeling that the demon bear is going to a particularly powerful psychic manifestation that Mirage makes. Would fit with everything else in the trailer.
I could totally enjoy a story where Dani survived a bear attack in which her parents were killed, and the demon bear is a psychic manifestation of her childhood trauma. That would be rather awesome, actually. I'm just not convinced a Marvel movie can be that character driven, if you see what I mean.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be convinced.
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Didn't we just see this year a Wolverine movie that was driven wholly by Logan and focusing on Logan's personal issues? This is not a far fetched idea, and thinking about it, it actually makes lot of sense- there were no powers of hell or spirits, just this one traumatic teenager lashing out.
Oh hey it's almost like a metaphor.