Interaction: Spell Warrior Skalds Weapon Song and Gloves of Improvised Might

[TiwazBlackhand]

I want your opinions, what would you rule in your own games.

Spell Warrior Skald's Enhance Weapon Song allows part of the bonus to be spent to add effects, as long as the weapon is either granted or already has at least a base +1.
So, if your SpWarSk is 5th level, so their song grants +2, if you have a +1 sword you can spend those +2 to add Keen and Flaming.
If your sword is NOT magic, you can spend those to add a +1 and Keen, or a +2, or whatever as long as you have a basic +1 and the total value is 2.

This also allows you to add bonuses and effects to Improvised weapons.

So if I'm attacking someone with a Chair, and have the benefit of a Lvl 5 SpWarSk's song, I can have a +1 Flaming Chair.

Gloves of Improvised Might add magic bonuses to Improvised weapons. If I'm wearing a pair of +1 GoIM my improvised weapons function as +1 magic weapons.

Here's the question finally: If I'm wearing a pair of +1 GoIM, AND I have the benefit of a SpWarSk's 5th level Weapon Song, and I'm wielding a Broken Bottle, can I spend BOTH enhancement points from the Song on effects since the gloves make the bottle a +1 weapon?
Can I be wielding a +1 Flaming Keen Broken Bottle in these specific circumstances?

Thank you.

[Ferious Thune]

Can Weapon Song normally enhance an improvised weapon? If so, then it probably works. The Gloves don’t change whether or not a weapon is Improvised.

Here’s a related question and another corner case. A Monk if the Empty Hand can wield regular weapons as improvised weapons. Do the Gloves enhance those? And if the weapon is already enhanced, do the weapon qualities stack?

Example: A Monk if the Empty Hand has Gloves of Improvised Might +1 Flaming. He picks up a +2 Shocking greatsword. Does it become +2 Shocking Flaming?

[Razata]

A Weapon is a Weapon. The ability does not care what kind of weapon.

This means my Spell Warrior (with enough levels) can use a +1 Flaming, Shocking Barstool/Fist/Claw/Greatsword

[Ferious Thune]

That’s a slightly different situation, though. If you have enough levels to make something +1 Shocking, Flaming, that’s fine. It’ll work on anything.

The question was more if the weapon is already enhanced, as a +2 Shocking greatsword, but the Monk if the Empty Hand is wielding it as an improvised weapon, do they get to use the weapon’s enhancements, and can the gloves further enhance the weapon?

Probably... but you can’t normally enhance an improvised weapon by paying gold to enhance it. So it’s a little unclear if a weapon being wielded as an improvised weapon gets the benefit of the weapon’s enhancements.

[TrinitysEnd]

It's been stated by multiple people and even a Dev (though that is unofficial) that Improvised Weapons do not count as weapons. Mark Seifter's Response: "It seems like you can't masterwork or enhance them in those ways. If you built, say a ladle, out of adamantine, it wouldn't be crafted as an adamantine weapon, but instead by weight as an "other item" that you then use as an improvised weapon, so in that regard it probably wouldn't get other attributes specific to adamantine weapons."

Of course, if your group is fine with it, that's that. But that is your GM's (or you if you are the GM) call. And the rules don't particularly cover this well. (I asked for an FAQ on it some time ago, but people were sure it didn't need one)