Bite with 1.5 STR even with manufacured Weapons?

[Fischy32]

Hey,

i started to play in a pathfinder group and i realised that they plan to play very optimized characters. Unfortunately im quite new to pathfinder so i have still problems to think of an strong eidolon...
So my question is about the Bite-Evolution:
If i upgrade the Bite-attack to 1,5 Str-Mod, does this also apply if i attack with a manufactured weapon in the same round?

[Rysky]

Yes, the Str is only 1.0 if you have more than 1 Natural Attack.

[Gjorbjond]

You still have to follow the Universal Monster Rules for natural attacks:

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Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type.

and

Quote:

Secondary attacks are made using the creature’s base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls.

As soon as you add a manufactured weapon attack to your routine, it makes all the natural attacks much worse. Generally you either do one or the other.

[Volkard Abendroth]

Rysky wrote:

Yes, the Str is only 1.0 if you have more than 1 Natural Attack.

An eidolon can take the bite evolution a second time to have a x1.5 STR bite when used with other natural weapons.

Bite wrote:

If the eidolon already has a bite attack, this evolution allows it to deal 1-1/2 times its Strength modifier on damage rolls made with its bite.

The evolution assumes this is made as a primary attack, but makes no explicit statement.

Personally, I would rule it as only dealing x.5 when used as a secondary attack, following the general rules for secondary attacks.

[Rysky]

Oh.