Reincarnate and various permanent bad stuff


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Bob is having a bad day. Bob took 2 points each of Strength and Wisdom damage, 4 points each of Dexterity and Charisma drain, got hit by two bestow curse spells causing his Constitution and Intelligence scores to decrease by 6, got a big kiss from a vampire bestowing two temporary negative levels, and got his feet popped off before his tormentors finally put him out of his misery.

Fortunately, Bob's friends eventually arrived to exact revenge for Bob and recover his body. Unfortunately, Bob's friends don't include a cleric or oracle. They do have a salve of the second chance, which they hastily slather on Bob's battered corpse. Bob reincarnated as a troglodyte, because that's how Bob's luck is rolling today. Naturally, this bestows two permanent negative levels on Bob.

Q:. Which of the above unfortunate afflictions still afflict Bob post-reincarnation?


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My gut says that physical ability damage and drain are not present in the new body; likewise any physical injuries like severed feet. Mental damage and drain, as well as negative levels, should stick.

I'm also inclined to say that curse effects follow you regardless of whether they affect physical or mental stats, because the curse itself is not a physical cause.

My answers would change if these things go away when Raise Dead is used instead.


"Since the dead creature is returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are repaired."

This is a little vague, but all we have. Pretty certainly str damage, dex drain, and amputated feet would be covered by that. Personally, I'd probably include the temp negative levels as well, but that would just be because I was feeling bad, 'levels' really aren't a physical thing.

Raise dead specifically mentions that magical diseases and curses remain in effect, so I don't see why it would be different for reincarnate. It also says any ability scores reduced to zero are set to 1, so mental damage would remain.

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