Envoy's Expertise and Skill Focus, also Icon oddness


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Envoy's Expertise and Skill Focus... Both add an insight bonus, which isn't mentioned as stacking in the list of bonuses, but at 9th level you get an ability if you have both Skill Focus and Expertise in the same skill.

Is this a mistake or am I missing something? As I see it you would get a +3 on that skill, and then you would roll your expertise and if it was more than 3 you would use that instead? Seems odd which is why I'm asking.

Also in the Icon Theme the first ability ... "You are hooked deeply into the culture of your iconic profession. When attempting a
Profession or Culture check to recall knowledge about other
icons of your profession or details about your profession’s
cultural aspects, increase the DC by 5"

should that be decrease the DC? Or again am I just misunderstanding fundamentally again?

thanks ahead of time for any help


Found the Icon fix in the FAQ, but still having problems..

can't find anything saying if a Ysoki has 30 ft of movement or not. Seems like a lot of the rules just makes small creatures same as medium but nothing says it in regards to speed. Under movement it says that most medium creatures have 30ft movement, but it says Ysoki are small but doesn't provide what small size confers as far as I can find. There is a chart about size but has nothing in regards to speed.

Or i'm overlooking something simple.

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Tobiathan wrote:

Envoy's Expertise and Skill Focus... Both add an insight bonus, which isn't mentioned as stacking in the list of bonuses, but at 9th level you get an ability if you have both Skill Focus and Expertise in the same skill.

Is this a mistake or am I missing something? As I see it you would get a +3 on that skill, and then you would roll your expertise and if it was more than 3 you would use that instead? Seems odd which is why I'm asking.

9th level is when the Skill Focus would become useless due to overlapping bonuses...which is why at that point it suddenly gives you a different bonus. Operator does the same thing at 7th level, for more or less the same reason.

Tobiathan wrote:

Found the Icon fix in the FAQ, but still having problems..

can't find anything saying if a Ysoki has 30 ft of movement or not. Seems like a lot of the rules just makes small creatures same as medium but nothing says it in regards to speed. Under movement it says that most medium creatures have 30ft movement, but it says Ysoki are small but doesn't provide what small size confers as far as I can find. There is a chart about size but has nothing in regards to speed.

Or i'm overlooking something simple.

All Starfinder races with movement speeds other than 30 feet say so. Look at Dwarves on p. 506, for example). So Ysoki move 30 feet like everyone else.

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on PAGE 41: (Last sentence under 'vital statistics')
While the ysoki are Small (see page 255),
their space, reach, and land speed are those of Medium creatures


thank you grumpus, figured I was overlooking something but not exactly in a place I would have expected.

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