Diversity training allows a character to add its Eldritch Knight level to it's caster level to determine qualification for feats. If a class ability has already been unlocked, do EK levels stack when determining what options can be taken with feats like:
Extra Arcana
Extra Arcanist Exploit
Extra Discovery
Extra Evolution
Extra Hex
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I'm not 100% sure what you mean. If you want to take Extra Arcana, you'd stack your EK levels when determining whether you could (not that you need to). Once you know you can take the feat, and you're deciding what arcana to gain from it, your EK levels do not stack to reach class level requirements, because Diverse Training specifies feat prereqs only. Is that what you're asking?
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Yes they do so if you are using the feat extra hex to pick up an hex that has requires your witch to be a certain level you can use your Eldritch Knight levels in addition to your witch levels to qualify for the hex assuming you have the class feature hex.
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Yes, a fighter 1/wizard 5/EK 4 will count as a wizard 9 and fighter 5 for feats.
For the feats themselves, yes, but why would they get to stack for the cookies the feats give them, like an arcana or a hex?
As I suspected, there is a split as to how Diversity Training should be applied.
I'm still looking for an arcane class level requirement for any feats. So far the only class level requirements are the ones related to which arcana, hex, evolution, or discovery can be chosen by the "Extra" feats. I have been looking for any other arcane feats that have level requirements, rather than caster level requirements, and really can't find any.
Fuzzy Wuzzy, what feats does Diversity Training open up or is it fairly useless on the caster side?
Very few that I could find:
Greater School Familiar (wizard 10th)
Improved Flexible Wizardry (wizard 8th)
Create Sanguine Elixir (sorcerer 3rd)
But until very recently there weren't that many feats with fighter level prereqs either---it's just that they include some really darn useful feats. I suspect DT is meant to let you get those, and they threw in "ditto arcane" as an afterthought to future-proof it. Well, that and it effectively gives them a +1 caster level for feat prereqs, as the 1st level of EK doesn't give them a boost there.
So far 2 people say you add to arcane levels for "extra" feats and 1 who says you don't. Since it looks like the text can be read either way, it would be great if someone had some other precedent to point to as well.
Anyone else have an opinion?
No one makes Eldritch Knights?
So far 2 people say you add to arcane levels for "extra" feats and 1 who says you don't. Since it looks like the text can be read either way, it would be great if someone had some other precedent to point to as well.
Anyone else have an opinion?
Diverse training cannot be read either way, the feat say "prerequisite for feats". Not "Prerequisite for bonus feat". See the difference with the Warpriest :
Warpriest Bonus Feat :
Bonus Feats: At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a warpriest gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be selected from those categorized as combat feats. The warpriest must meet the prerequisites for these feats, but he treats his warpriest level as his base attack bonus (in addition to base attack bonuses gained from other classes and racial Hit Dice) for the purpose of qualifying for these feats. Finally, for the purposes of these feats, the warpriest can select feats that have a minimum number of fighter levels as a prerequisite, treating his warpriest level as his fighter level.
Eldritch Knight Bonus Feat:
Bonus Feat: At 1st level, an eldritch knight may choose a bonus combat feat. This is in addition to the feats that a character of any class normally gets from advancing levels. The character must still meet any prerequisites for these bonus feats. An eldritch knight gains an additional combat feat at 5th and 9th level.
See the difference ? ;)
So for EK the fighter and Spellcaster part apply for all feat not just the bonus feat... ;)
The "extra" feats I was referring to were not the Bonus feats supplied by Eldritch Knight. It was referencing the various feats that allow characters to acquire more of their optional abilities. Such as:
Extra Arcana
Extra Arcanist Exploit
Extra Discovery
Extra Evolution
Extra Hex
Most of the abilities that are gained from these feats have level requirements. However it is unclear whether Diversity Training adds EK levels to the base class to meet requirements or if it does not.
I was hoping someone had some kind of a reference, with some supporting material if possible, on which is correct. I'm currently on the fence.
An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter). He also adds his level to any levels in an arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats.
Diverse training only stacks for meeting the prerequisites of the feat, not for the prerequisites of abilities granted by those feats.
Nope.
Referencing the actual class feature in question:
An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter). He also adds his level to any levels in an arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats.
The bolded part is quite clear that it only works for meeting feat requirements; nothing else. I highly doubt it's a typo since it uses identical wording multiple times (twice, to be exact).
So, if I was a Myrmidarch Magus 10/EK 10, I could take feats like Greater Penetrating Strike, since I'd be considered a 17th level Fighter (the Magus and EK levels are equivalent to Fighter levels in this case), but not feats like Extra Arcana (Bane Blade), since I do not meet the Magus level requirement to take that Arcana, which the Eldritch Knight's Diversity Training does not help with, since it's only concerned with meeting feat pre-requisites, and not Arcana pre-requisites, which is what you aren't meeting with taking a feat like Extra Arcana (Bane Blade).
Thanks all.
Diversity training on the caster side really doesn't do much. Keep hoping to pull value out of some of these PrC's to no avail.