Level 20 Arcane Sorcerer + Improved Counterspell + Heighten Spell


Rules Questions


Just a funny thought I had.

With improved counterspell, you can counterspell with a spell from the same school as the opposed spell instead of the exact same spell. A level 20 arcane sorcerer doesn't increase the casting time of his metamagic spells, so if he had heighten spell and a level 1 spell of every school, could he counterspell every single spell an enemy spellcaster could cast by heightening them to an appropriate level?


Ellington wrote:

Just a funny thought I had.

With improved counterspell, you can counterspell with a spell from the same school as the opposed spell instead of the exact same spell. A level 20 arcane sorcerer doesn't increase the casting time of his metamagic spells, so if he had heighten spell and a level 1 spell of every school, could he counterspell every single spell an enemy spellcaster could cast by heightening them to an appropriate level?

Since heighten counts as a spell of the level of slot it uses I believe so.


Well, countering uses up his spells per day, so there is some sort of limiting factor. But, as far as level 20 combos goes, this is hardly overpowered. Whoever is on the receiving end might find it annoying, but not game breaking.


Yup, it works. Can't be used to counter 9th lvl spells though (since it would take a 10th lvl spell via improved counterspell.)

Helps to have access to certain 3.5 stuff though that lets you counterspell as an immediate action instead of having to ready for it. Not a bad idea though when dealing with the BBESpellcaster, essentially shutting him down and letting the rest of the party deal with him.

I think you could do this while invisible too and not drop your invisibility.


Wouldnt the fact that sorcerers cast metamagic spells as full round actions stop this?? I thought couterspelling is a readied action and with readied actions you can only use a standard action when readying???


Eldin wrote:
Wouldnt the fact that sorcerers cast metamagic spells as full round actions stop this?? I thought couterspelling is a readied action and with readied actions you can only use a standard action when readying???

Well yeah, but as I said in my original post, a level 20 arcane sorcerer can cast metamagic spells as a standard action.

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