Hi, this came up in a recent game.
The spell True Seeing states that is is subject to spell resistance.
Does that mean:
A. The creature receiving the spell must have his spell resistance overcome to gain the benefit. Then he can see through effects regardless of other creatures spell resistance.
B. The creature receiving the spell must have his spell resistance overcome to gain the benefit. Spell resistance must also be overcome to see through the illusions on creatures will spell resistance. (ie. to see an invisible dragon with SR, you must overcome that SR for true seeing to see through the invisibility.)
Hi, this came up in a recent game.
The spell True Seeing states that is is subject to spell resistance.
Does that mean:
A. The creature receiving the spell must have his spell resistance overcome to gain the benefit. Then he can see through effects regardless of other creatures spell resistance.
B. The creature receiving the spell must have his spell resistance overcome to gain the benefit. Spell resistance must also be overcome to see through the illusions on creatures will spell resistance. (ie. to see an invisible dragon with SR, you must overcome that SR for true seeing to see through the invisibility.)
A willing creature may voluntarily drop her spell resistance so the True Seeing spell affects her, with no roll required. Some spell resistances don't allow it (for example Barbarians under Superstition would not voluntarily drop SR), but most do.
A creature with spell resistance must voluntarily lower the resistance (a standard action) in order to be affected by such spells without forcing the caster to make a caster level check.
Spell resistance normally only works when the creature is "targeted" or in te AoE of any spell while it's being cast. If the spell is already in effect, creatures usually can't resist it's effects. Still, this is subject to GM's choice:
The Spell Resistance entry and the descriptive text of a spell description tell you whether spell resistance protects creatures from the spell. In many cases, spell resistance applies only when a resistant creature is targeted by the spell, not when a resistant creature encounters a spell that is already in place.
So,
C) The creature receiving TS may either voluntarily drop SR to receive the spell normally, or keep SR up, forcing a check to receive that spell. Then she can see through other creatures (True Sight already in place) regardless those creatures SR.
Yorien his question is really whether the spell resistance applies to creatures the the user of True Sight may look at. I feel you post is a little confusing, but does contain the answer.
To be more succinct, Spell Resistance applies when the spell is cast. Not when the user of the spell looks at something with SR.
Spell Resistance
Spell resistance is a special defensive ability. If your spell is being resisted by a creature with spell resistance, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) at least equal to the creature's spell resistance for the spell to affect that creature. The defender's spell resistance is like an Armor Class against magical attacks. Include any adjustments to your caster level to this caster level check.
The Spell Resistance entry and the descriptive text of a spell description tell you whether spell resistance protects creatures from the spell. In many cases, spell resistance applies only when a resistant creature is targeted by the spell, not when a resistant creature encounters a spell that is already in place.
The terms "object" and "harmless" mean the same thing for spell resistance as they do for saving throws. A creature with spell resistance must voluntarily lower the resistance (a standard action) in order to be affected by such spells without forcing the caster to make a caster level check.
You will note True Seeing calls out that it is harmless, it just means if the target of the spell has SR they must drop it to (more easily) receive the benefit of the spell.
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Yorien his question is really whether the spell resistance applies to creatures the the user of True Sight may look at. I feel you post is a little confusing, but does contain the answer.
My previous post was split in two parts, since OP thought in both scenarios that SR had to be overcome, and forgot or wasn't aware of the "voluntarily droping SR rule".
You're refering to the second part.
Spell resistance normally only works when the creature is "targeted" or in te AoE of any spell while it's being cast. If the spell is already in effect, creatures usually can't resist it's effects. Still, this is subject to GM's choice:
The Spell Resistance entry and the descriptive text of a spell description tell you whether spell resistance protects creatures from the spell. In many cases, spell resistance applies only when a resistant creature is targeted by the spell, not when a resistant creature encounters a spell that is already in place.So,
C) The creature receiving TS may either voluntarily drop SR to receive the spell normally, or keep SR up, forcing a check to receive that spell. Then she can see through other creatures (True Sight already in place) regardless those creatures SR.
"C)" should still apply.
Part 1: The receiving creature either voluntarily drops SR (if able to), or keeps SR up and harmless spells will have to bypass it to have effect...
Part 2: Once the True Sight spell is already cast ("in place"), other creatures normally won't receive SR to protect them from being scryed through TS unless the GM states otherwise (the rules leave that option open)