Painful Stare + Psychic Inception: do I still need to roll 50% effectiveness?


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This came up in a game recently, and I'm pretty sure my reading of the ability is right, but a clarification or ruling would help greatly.

When affecting a mind-effecting immune creature with hypnotic stare, allowed by the psychic inception bold stare ability, do I need to roll 50% chance every turn to determine if the target is eligible to be affected by the painful stare damage?

My reading of it is that the painful stare damage itself is not a mind effecting affect, and while the hypnotic stare is, the psychic inception ability overrides the immunity. Therefore, an otherwise immune target affected by by hypnotic stare will be damaged by painful stare if you have psychic inception.

The Hangup here is the language in the second part of psychic inception that says that an otherwise mind-affecting effect immune creature rolls every turn to see if it can be affected by the mind affecting effect that turn, and the GM interpretation was that painful stare was such an ability, so I had to roll every turn to see if my target was eligible for the painful stare damage that turn.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

I agree with your reading. Painful stare is an aspect of hypnotic stare that does precision damage and is not a separate mind-affecting effect.

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