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The card building tool and service at http://www.drivethrucards.com/builder/pathfinder is a fantastic tool - really great thing for the game that you can do this and order cards, I love it.
My challenge is - where to get the art to use making the cards?
Can anyone recommend places to buy art under terms that would include legally using it in the card builder? (e.g. sites selling stock art and/or artists prepared to license their work for use in this way)
Fiverr has some artists who do art with commercial licensing.
Adobe Stock looks like it'd work, and I'd imagine many other stock photo sites have similar terms. You can also commission artists, just make clear at the time of the commission what rights to the work you expect to have.
For free images, the attribution requirements may be tricky. You may need to embed the original image URL on the image itself to meet them (and therefore also ensure that the images allow for derivative works).
Thanks for the tips
Huh, did they remove the free artwork?
I can't seem to use any of it anymore.
Huh, did they remove the free artwork?
I can't seem to use any of it anymore.
Not being able to find any longer that is partly what prompted my initial question
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Not being able to find any longer that is partly what prompted my initial questionHuh, did they remove the free artwork?
I can't seem to use any of it anymore.
Weird. I'd consider contacting DriveThru about that. In that case, all artwork published in a Paizo blog (except photos) is free for use in the card creator. You can look through those and see if you find anything, unfortunately there's currently no place I know of to view all of them at once and sort/filter them... I may make something like that though now that I thought of it.
I contacted DriveThru about that and get back to this thread once they answer. In the meantime, how does the art licence for the blog pictures work?
Can I freely crop out the center piece of, for example, this picture , and use it as the image for my homebrew demoniac mythic path? Do I have to give credit or how does it work?
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I contacted DriveThru about that and get back to this thread once they answer. In the meantime, how does the art licence for the blog pictures work?
Can I freely crop out the center piece of, for example, this picture , and use it as the image for my homebrew demoniac mythic path? Do I have to give credit or how does it work?
As long as you comply with all of the above usage requirements, we hereby grant you the following permissions:• You may use the contents of the Community Use Package at paizo.com/communityuse/package. You may use only those versions of the Paizo Materials from the Community Use Package. You may not alter the color, typography, design, or proportions of the logos or icons, or otherwise modify them. Should an item be removed from the Community Use Package, you don't need to remove it from existing projects, but you may not use it in future projects.
• You may use the cover images, as displayed on paizo.com, of all of the products on our Community Use Approved Product List at paizo.com/communityuse/products. Product covers may not be cropped, color adjusted, edited, distorted, or modified.
• You may use the textual product descriptions, as they appear on the back of each product or in the product listings on paizo.com, of all of the products on our Community Use Approved Product List at paizo.com/communityuse/products.
• You may use any of the text or artwork published in the Paizo Blog at paizo.com/paizo/blog, with the exception of excerpts of Planet Stories publications, Pathfinder Comics, and any logos and icons that aren't also in the Community Use Package. You may not use any photographs published in the blog (because those rights are usually not ours to offer). You may not use artwork, including maps, that have not been published in the blog, although you may create your own interpretations of material presented in our artwork and maps, provided that your interpretations don't look substantially similar to our materials.
• You may use the artwork published to illustrate the Web Fiction at paizo.com/pathfinder/tales/serial. Note that the web fiction itself may not be used under this policy—just the artwork.
• You may descriptively reference trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), locations and characters from products listed in Section 1 of our Community Use Approved Product List at paizo.com/communityuse/products, provided it is clear that these are our marks.
• You may descriptively reference dialogue, plots, storylines, language, and incidents from products listed in Section 1 of our Community Use Approved Product List at paizo.com/communityuse/products in campaign journals and play-by-post or play-by-email games.
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I highlighted three lines of the policy for you here. The first two establish that there are types of images which you CANNOT crop or alter, and the third one highlights that blog images do NOT have this listed restriction, so as far as I can tell, we are allowed to crop and alter images from the blog, as long as they aren't logos and icons for product lines. Since that image you linked is a desktop background, I'm pretty sure you could crop out the skull icon. *BUT I'M NOT A LAWYER.*
Thanks for the quote, I tried to read it in depth now.
Ok, as far as I understand, the first covers brand recognition and the second covers shops being able to properly describe the products.
I think on my example, the third point clashes with the first; the demon head in the wallpaper is the icon for a season of organized play.
Can anyone explain what 'descriptively' means in the fifth and sixth point?
Does that mean I'm not allowed to use the name of things and can only describe them instead? Like when the 'd20pfsrd' site publishes most content of the pathfinder books while removing the ties to golarion as a setting?
I'd like to make an AP for PACG that is true to the lore of golarion, but if this means I'm not supposed to, I might as well stop researching lore for the story.
You agree to use your best efforts to preserve the high standard of our intellectual property. You agree to present Paizo, our products, and the Paizo Material in a generally positive light. You agree to not use this permission for material that the general public would classify as "adult content," offensive, or inappropriate for minors , and you agree that such use would irreparably harm Paizo. You agree to not do anything illegal in or with products or websites produced under this Policy.
I'm also not sure what this entails. Sure, I'm not supposed to produce any porn based on paizo products, but isn't a game whose core mechanics are based around killing your enemies inherently inappropriate for minors?
Is there someone at paizo that can be asked for clarification in case its not clear if the community police is violated?
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Telling your own story with our setting is exactly the kind of thing this policy was created for. You really should read the full policy rather than this excerpt; you can find it at http://paizo.com/paizo/about/communityuse. (Note that it also has its own FAQ.)
While we do consider the Year of the Demon art a logo, we would consider the wallpaper that contains it artwork, meaning you could crop that image so long as you don't crop the logo itself. Alternatively, you can find a clean version of the logo in this package (after you download it, look for "Year of the Demon Badge" files in the "Historic Logos" folder).
The "descriptively reference" clauses do allow you to describe and refer to these things by name (but note that nothing allows you to copy our text outright). (d20pfsrd does not operate under the Community Use Policy—they're a commercial publisher, and are limited to using material we've designated as Open Game Content under the OGL, which generally excludes our setting material.)
As far as adult content goes, you may want to read this.
Does that mean I'm not allowed to use the name of things and can only describe them instead? Like when the 'd20pfsrd' site publishes most content of the pathfinder books while removing the ties to golarion as a setting?
d20pfsrd is not using the Community Use Policy. Rather, it is using the OGL which prevents it from using anything that Paizo classifies as "Product Identity" under their OGL disclaimers (which includes names of things). Looking at what d20pfsrd is allowed or is not allowed to do is not a good gauge as to whether or not you can do it under the Community Use Policy. As Vic said, reading the full policy and the FAQs is the best way to go.
No PACG material is available under the OGL, so if you want to use PACG stuff, your options are either CUP or not using it.
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My reply began with a typo that completely changed the meaning. It had said "Telling your own story without setting is exactly the kind of thing this policy was created for" instead of "Telling your own story with our setting is exactly the kind of thing this policy was created for." (I've fixed it above.)
Thanks for the answer Vic! I already read the whole policy by the time I made my second post, but I missed the FAQ, so thanks for that.
I'm still somewhat discouraged/confused by what qualifies as inappropriate for minors, since I want to make an evil AP where one plays as cultists of baphomet, and that entails being not overly good from time to time.
I've got three follow up questions:
- Are the published APs a good guideline for what is appropriate?
- In case of doubt, is there a way to consult with paizo if I can publish something? I guess not, but I thought I'd ask.
- What would happen if I published something on these forums that clashes with the CUP? I'd readily change anything deemed inappropriate, but getting sued seems not very desirable.
Regarding the topic, I asked at drivethru, and they told me they would get back to me about the disapearing art, but haven't done so yet.
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- Are the published APs a good guideline for what is appropriate?
As I said in the thread I linked above, our products are generally aimed at an audience ages 13 and up. But our own products are not bound by the CUP, so if we think that we can cover something a little more mature that doesn't harm our brand, we have that ability.
- In case of doubt, is there a way to consult with paizo if I can publish something? I guess not, but I thought I'd ask.
We're not going to give you any more guidance than this: If you think that you're creating something that the general public would classify as "adult content," offensive, or inappropriate for minors, you can't publish it under the Compatibility License. If you want to find a way to survey the general public about that, you could, but my recommendation would be just to avoid fitting that description.
- What would happen if I published something on these forums that clashes with the CUP? I'd readily change anything deemed inappropriate, but getting sued seems not very desirable.
There's a reason that the policy doesn't specify the actions we can take if we feel you're violating it—it's so that we can take whatever steps we deem necessary (within the law) to protect our intellectual property. The most common way that CUP violations have been taken care of is this: somebody in our community tells us that somebody else is violating the CUP, we look into it, and if we agree, we contact the user and tell them to either adjust their project to comply with the policy or stop using the policy (and immediately lose access to all the permissions it granted). We've not yet had to go any further than that.
Good news everyone!
I finally got an update from DriveThru. Seems like they actually were not aware of the issue before I contacted them, which was caused by a bug.
Luckily, they were able to fix it now that it came to their attention, and now the art is available again, which I can confirm as well. :)