The fall / return of spellbooks


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Since wizard is no longer a class, I'm just guessing that spellbooks might not be a thing anymore. If they are, how would they work and what classes would use them? Would they still be paper or more tech-y now? Cause in all honesty, I'm totally on board with a digital holographic spellbook projecting from my wristwatch that only I can understand!


lordofthemax wrote:
Since wizard is no longer a class, I'm just guessing that spellbooks might not be a thing anymore. If they are, how would they work and what classes would use them? Would they still be paper or more tech-y now? Cause in all honesty, I'm totally on board with a digital holographic spellbook projecting from my wristwatch that only I can understand!

I would love a tablet-spellbook to store my spells in.


Technomancers and Mechanics having schematic diagrams to refer back to could very much be a thing. Though i could also see it as an implant that projects the diagrams into their vision for references without actually taking up space or being able to be lost/sundered. I kind of like the idea that magical formula and circuit design merged at some point and use a common base system.


All the core casters are 6/9 spontaneous, so spellbooks will just be fluff for casting.

That said, I support invocation programs that, once you adjust to them properly, do the grunt work of casting for you, leaving you with just a few extra parts- providing the actual magic and directing it.


QuidEst wrote:

All the core casters are 6/9 spontaneous, so spellbooks will just be fluff for casting.

That said, I support invocation programs that, once you adjust to them properly, do the grunt work of casting for you, leaving you with just a few extra parts- providing the actual magic and directing it.

I love fluff. Also spellbooks offer a sort of weakness for the caster, and an incentive to go adventuring.


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Spellbooks in the Starfinder era could be collections of either scrolls or Pages of Spell Knowledge. Either way, they would be far more expensive than the spellbooks formerly used by wizards.


lordofthemax wrote:
Since wizard is no longer a class...

I don't think this is 100% true. I think wizard is no longer a CORE class.

Much like a lot of people don't train blacksmithing as much as they did say 250 years ago compared to today in the real world, wizardry I think has gone by the wayside due to culture and technology making a lot of it redundant. But I don't think they ever said there are 0 wizards any more. Or any other 9 level caster for that matter. Just that they are not core classes.

Since they are touting the game as being mostly backwards compatible I think those may still be options. Just not commonly seen ones in the settings.

I would assume wizards and clerics would be seen much like SCA members are seen today.


Gilfalas wrote:
lordofthemax wrote:
Since wizard is no longer a class...

I don't think this is 100% true. I think wizard is no longer a CORE class.

Much like a lot of people don't train blacksmithing as much as they did say 250 years ago compared to today in the real world, wizardry I think has gone by the wayside due to culture and technology making a lot of it redundant. But I don't think they ever said there are 0 wizards any more. Or any other 9 level caster for that matter. Just that they are not core classes.

Since they are touting the game as being mostly backwards compatible I think those may still be options. Just not commonly seen ones in the settings.

I would assume wizards and clerics would be seen much like SCA members are seen today.

There could also conceivably be civilizations who have yet to advance far enough to enter space and develop advanced technologies and classes, assuming the pact worlds have some sort of prime directive type of rule going.


However, Core classes are all we have right now in Starfinder until they release some rule expansion books. I think the backwards compatibility thing is gonna be VERY loose. IE its gonna be about as "backwards compatible" as 3.5 to 5e.


lordofthemax wrote:
Since wizard is no longer a class, I'm just guessing that spellbooks might not be a thing anymore. If they are, how would they work and what classes would use them? Would they still be paper or more tech-y now? Cause in all honesty, I'm totally on board with a digital holographic spellbook projecting from my wristwatch that only I can understand!

There will be wizards... just rebranded into something like technomancer or somesuch like.. .nanos. (Oops, one billion years too early for that. :)


GM Niles wrote:
However, Core classes are all we have right now in Starfinder until they release some rule expansion books. I think the backwards compatibility thing is gonna be VERY loose. IE its gonna be about as "backwards compatible" as 3.5 to 5e.

That's not really true. They've already said that it'll use the same general rules as pathfinder, and half of the purpose of it was so that anything that is in pathfinder can be seamlessly put into your starfinder campaign.


Gilfalas wrote:
lordofthemax wrote:
Since wizard is no longer a class...

I don't think this is 100% true. I think wizard is no longer a CORE class.

Much like a lot of people don't train blacksmithing as much as they did say 250 years ago compared to today in the real world, wizardry I think has gone by the wayside due to culture and technology making a lot of it redundant. But I don't think they ever said there are 0 wizards any more. Or any other 9 level caster for that matter. Just that they are not core classes.

Since they are touting the game as being mostly backwards compatible I think those may still be options. Just not commonly seen ones in the settings.

I would assume wizards and clerics would be seen much like SCA members are seen today.

Heh. Wizarding as a pastime.


lordofthemax wrote:
GM Niles wrote:
However, Core classes are all we have right now in Starfinder until they release some rule expansion books. I think the backwards compatibility thing is gonna be VERY loose. IE its gonna be about as "backwards compatible" as 3.5 to 5e.
That's not really true. They've already said that it'll use the same general rules as pathfinder, and half of the purpose of it was so that anything that is in pathfinder can be seamlessly put into your starfinder campaign.

It's somewhere between those. Bestiary entries will be easy to update and add in, but less so the old classes. They'll have a section with some advice on it, but it's not assumed that stuff will port over effortlessly.


lordofthemax wrote:
GM Niles wrote:
However, Core classes are all we have right now in Starfinder until they release some rule expansion books. I think the backwards compatibility thing is gonna be VERY loose. IE its gonna be about as "backwards compatible" as 3.5 to 5e.
That's not really true. They've already said that it'll use the same general rules as pathfinder, and half of the purpose of it was so that anything that is in pathfinder can be seamlessly put into your starfinder campaign.

To add on to what QuidEst said. They have only promised BC with monsters that you could take a monster out of a bestiary and with a quick conversion, could use it. Things like classes and such were not so detailed. They talked about how scaling is going to work differently (don't recall it being damage, hit or which).

There will be stuff for using old races, but I don't recall anything that has been said about classes.


Lord Mhoram wrote:
lordofthemax wrote:
GM Niles wrote:
However, Core classes are all we have right now in Starfinder until they release some rule expansion books. I think the backwards compatibility thing is gonna be VERY loose. IE its gonna be about as "backwards compatible" as 3.5 to 5e.
That's not really true. They've already said that it'll use the same general rules as pathfinder, and half of the purpose of it was so that anything that is in pathfinder can be seamlessly put into your starfinder campaign.

To add on to what QuidEst said. They have only promised BC with monsters that you could take a monster out of a bestiary and with a quick conversion, could use it. Things like classes and such were not so detailed. They talked about how scaling is going to work differently (don't recall it being damage, hit or which).

There will be stuff for using old races, but I don't recall anything that has been said about classes.

Yes, sorry. You are both correct, I overlooked that part. HOWEVER, since it's still using (for the most part) a very similar rule system, it shouldn't be too difficult to port over a pathfinder character. For example, if I were to take my current lvl 6 Tengu rogue and say that he got sucked into some time portal into starfinder, as far as I'm aware the only things that would truly need revision are a few skill points and MAYBE a few feats (they haven't talked much about feats yet, but we've already seen a bunch of the skills that are available). All in all, the way I see it this process should take around 10 minutes or less, which I find perfectly reasonable.

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