dragonhunterq wrote:
Until they clarify the rules GMs - even for PFS - are permitted to adjudicate this as they see fit. What PFS GMs can't do is ignore the fact that manifestations exist.
If you choose to ignore manifestations or make them visible no matter what the circumstances then you really don't need any other rules, for everyone else we can start with a proposal- a starting point for your own houserules - feel free to tidy up the language, or let me know what have I missed, or any rule I have inadvertantly broken etc.:
Manifestations are usually clearly visible requiring a Perception check DC -10 to notice (it can start at DC0 instead). They may be bright or even appear to glow, but do not generate their own light and interact with darkness as any other object.
Increase the DC by 4 for each component removed (whether by metamagic or another effect). (optional)
Other modifiers to perception work normally (+1/10', +20 due to invisibilty etc.)
Feats or abilities such as Conceal Spell or Secret Signs can use this perception DC for any opposed check (not just perception checks) if it is more beneficial to do so. (with the -10 it is unlikely, but still...)
My simple house rule is that manifestations are clearly visibly any time you can perceive the caster. If you need to make a perception check to find the caster, the same perception check suffices to find the manifestations.
Yes, there are all kinds of weirdnesses in that, just like there are weirdnesses in the whole Perception part of the game.
