Spell: Dragon Turtle Shell - reduces strength damage too?

[Matt2VK]

Spell: Dragon Turtle Shell

Description
When you are struck by an opponent's natural attacks, the damage is resolved as if the attack came from a creature one size smaller per 5 caster levels (maximum of four size categories smaller at CL 20th). Refer to Table 3–1 to determine an attack's altered base damage. If the creature's natural attack deals nonstandard damage, refer instead to the Improved Natural Attack feat. It is not possible to reduce the base damage of a creature's natural attack below 1d2 with this spell.

Question -
This clearly reduces the damage die for the natural attack. Does it also reduce the strength of the attack?
As if the person attacking was under the effect of a reduce person/creature spell.

I'm saying yes but want other opinions.

[Tarik Blackhands]

Looks pretty self explanatory to me. It doesn't reference the Reduce line of spells at all so I doubt that's what was intended. So basically instead of a 2d6+5 slam from a medium critter with Str 20. It's treated as a small critter with Str 20 yielding d10+5 (or whatever the breakdown is)

[Saethori]

Your topic is at odds with your question, and your question has a certain level of redundancy in it that I am not sure where the confusion lies.

The attack is resolved as if the attacker was smaller, and thus using smaller damage dice. This is the same decrease in damage dice that would occur with effects such as Reduce Person, but does not include any reduction in the user's Strength or how it applies to their attack.

If a Huge-sized giant with 28 Strength was swinging a club with two hands, the attack will deal 2d8+13 damage (2d8 for huge club, 9 for strength, added 4 for two-handed).

If you were under this effect, the size of the damage die would go down appropriately; CL5 makes it Large (1d10), CL10 makes it Medium (1d6), CL15 makes it Small (1d4), and CL20 makes it Tiny (1d2).
But in all these instances, the giant still gets his full damage bonus of 13.

[Matt2VK]

What I'm asking about is how the damage done is resolved.

In the description, it states that you figure out the attacking damage as if the attacker was a size smaller. Anytime your size is reduced, you loose 2 strength.

It clearly gives examples of the base damage dice but nothing about if the strength is also reduced for the damage you take.

[Bob Bob Bob]

Matt2VK wrote:

What I'm asking about is how the damage done is resolved.

In the description, it states that you figure out the attacking damage as if the attacker was a size smaller. Anytime your size is reduced, you loose 2 strength.

It clearly gives examples of the base damage dice but nothing about if the strength is also reduced for the damage you take.

The bolded part is just flat out wrong. Alter Self can make you Medium->Small and you get +2 Dex... and that's it. Reduce Person gives you -2 Str, but that's only that specific spell. There is no general rule.

As for the original question, as others have said it only reduces the damage dice on the attack. Not their Strength, not anything else about the attack (Grab, etc.), just the damage (which means the damage dice).

[Matt2VK]

Thanks Bob Bob, that's what I wanted. For some reason was thinking reducing size also reduced strength.