still confused on two weapon figthing


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One of my players has a level 10 rogue with improved two-weapon fighting. He is telling me that he gets 5 attacks per round on full attack. This doesn't seem right but after reading the feats and rules it is somewhat confusing. It says with two weapon fighting you get an extra attack, but is that an extra after you have attacked with each weapon? How then does that affect iterative attacks?

Scarab Sages

He should have four attacks at level 10 with improved two weapon fighting. Two from his BAB, one from Two Weapon Fighting, and one from Improved Two Weapon Fighting. Haste which probably gets thrown around a lot at that level or from an item would give him a fifth attack.


The attack from Improved TWF should be at the same bonus as the second attack from his main hand (assuming a light weapon is used)


A level 10 rogue has a BAB of +9 which becomes +7/+2
For this example, the rouge has 10 in all stats, so no mods and all weapons are just normal mundane swords.

So that's two attacks already as a full action.

Lets assume they get Two-Weapon Fighting feat so they only take a -2/-2 penalty. Assuming you're using a light weapon in the offhand.

That +7/+2
with two weapons it becomes
+5/+0 and +5 offhand
3 attacks total.

If you get that fancy Improve Two-Weapon Fighting it now becomes
+5/+0 and +5/+0
So that's like 4 attacks as a full round action! Nice.

But lets say someone casts haste. They now get a bonus single attack which the player can apply to either the main or off hand.
+5/+5/+0 and +5/+0
5 attacks per round!

You can also go higher by using natural attacks or monks flurry of blows- but let's not go crazy. :)


There are the normal iteratives of your main hand.

1. Full BAB
2. BAB-5.

Then, anyone can TWF to get one extra attack from the offhand. The TWF feat just reduces the penalties for doing this.

3. TWF, full BAB

But the offhand does not get iteratives. Improved TWF and Greater TWF give you offhand iteratives. (note- greater TWF is never really worth it. It is BAB-10.... rarely hits, not worth the feat. Especially with your BAB).

4. ITWF, BAB-5

You were told 5. There are various possible reasons for this. Maybe you have a haste spell going, which gives an extra full BAB attack. Or maybe the person that told you was thinking about the number of attack a Full BAB class would have.


@Jader7777

How does a lvl 10 rogue have a BAB of +9?

@Marculus

What race is your player playing. If he's playing a race with a natural attack its possible he has a extra attack outside the attacks with TWF, and ITWF.


Rylden wrote:

@Jader7777

How does a lvl 10 rogue have a BAB of +9?

For some reason I added them. It's +7.

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