Unchained Eidolon and old evolutions

[legolizard]

I noticed recently that a new evolution was added for unchained eidolons from the "Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Horror Realms" book, its a psychic version of the old basic magic evoltution.

That got me thinking "Does that mean they are going to be revamping some of the old evolutions to work with the newer unchained summoner eidolon?"

Then I thought, "Can old evolution from books other than the advanced players guide be used with unchained summoner eidolons?

From my understanding, the unchained book redid the evolutions provided in the original Advanced players guide but didn't cover evolutions that came out in other books, are all the other books eidolon content also no longer usable with the unchained summoner eidolon?

[David knott 242]

They aren't usable in PFS, but they should work fine in home games.

[legolizard]

Wow, has there been any effort to replace the cut content from the Summoner? or did they make the occult class to replace the summoner?

[Saethori]

They clearly haven't forgotten Unchained Summoner exists, since Blood of the Beast includes a (in my opinion very good) new eidolon type.

Some evolutions that were in the old summoner were just abhorrently overpowered, and it's likely for the best those were retired.

At the same time, though, it's kind of sad how difficult it is to get pounce.

[legolizard]

Saethori wrote:

They clearly haven't forgotten Unchained Summoner exists, since Blood of the Beast includes a (in my opinion very good) new eidolon type.

Some evolutions that were in the old summoner were just abhorrently overpowered, and it's likely for the best those were retired.

At the same time, though, it's kind of sad how difficult it is to get pounce.

I agree it was over powered, but since its not a newer class or one of the original core classes, I probably wont be getting much love like the newer classes might. I just would really like to get some magical spell casting back onto the eidolons. The new psychic stuff is a good start but lets get some arcane and divine in there too.

[SheepishEidolon]

legolizard wrote:

From my understanding, the unchained book redid the evolutions provided in the original Advanced players guide but didn't cover evolutions that came out in other books, are all the other books eidolon content also no longer usable with the unchained summoner eidolon?

Well, Unchained barbarian and rogue got sidebars on unchanged previous content, Unchained summoner did not. This points to an intention that Unchained is a complete restart when it comes to evolutions. I might be wrong, of course.

Given that Ultimate Magic's evolutions are weaker than APG's, in average, I'd still allow them. Adding more heads is quite flavorful, and see in darkness is an unique help for the party.

I still miss the sandbox nature of the original eidolon, personally I'd even like to get rid of half of the base evolutions...