Is this somehow possible?
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Is this somehow possible?
technically yes, but mechanically not as far as I know. When it comes to having multiple heritages or ancestries in your bloodline, you're asked to decide which had the most prominent influence on your stats. However, it may be possible you could work with your GM to take the Adopted feat to represent an additional heritage and at least gain feats from it.
Yeah cause I mean you could be a race with tiefling and dhamphir heritage on paper but mechanically not sure it works cause then it would be 3 races.
But could they be a tiefling/dhampir and whatever other 3rd race isn't used? Doesn't seem like it. I kinda wanted to make a character based on Astarion from BG 3 but he's also a tiefling.
Edit: I looked at the adopted feat. You can only choose common ancestries.
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Is this somehow possible?
Per the rules, no. Dhampir and Tiefling (now Nephilim) are both Versatile Hertiages, and a character only ever gets one Heritage, period (Versatile or not).
However, if you're willing to House Rule it shouldn't be too hard. I would personally use Human base statistics (8 HP, 25 foot speed, Medium size, 2 free bosts). You gain Darkvision(low-light from both, so it stacks, but you can leave it at low-light if you want) and negative healing (from Dhampir)
Then, for Ancestry Feats, instead of having access to Human + Nephilim or Human + Dhampir, you have access to Nephilim + Dhampir (so, only ancestry feats that include the Nephilim or Dhampir trait).
Bit of a kludge job but it should work well enough, at a glance.
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Yeah cause I mean you could be a race with tiefling and dhamphir heritage on paper but mechanically not sure it works cause then it would be 3 races.
But could they be a tiefling/dhampir and whatever other 3rd race isn't used? Doesn't seem like it. I kinda wanted to make a character based on Astarion from BG 3 but he's also a tiefling.
Edit: I looked at the adopted feat. You can only choose common ancestries.
If you want something based on Astarion, he's a vampire not a dhampir, so maybe the vampire archetype might interest you instead. Though if you wish choose the vampire archetype, beware that it's Rare, so ask the GM first and beware of the story and mechanical implications of playing a vampire.
If you want something based on Astarion, he's a vampire not a dhampir, so maybe the vampire archetype might interest you instead. Though if you wish choose the vampire archetype, beware that it's Rare, so ask the GM first and beware of the story and mechanical implications of playing a vampire.Yeah cause I mean you could be a race with tiefling and dhamphir heritage on paper but mechanically not sure it works cause then it would be 3 races.
But could they be a tiefling/dhampir and whatever other 3rd race isn't used? Doesn't seem like it. I kinda wanted to make a character based on Astarion from BG 3 but he's also a tiefling.
Edit: I looked at the adopted feat. You can only choose common ancestries.
He's a vampire spawn to be technical. A Dhampir is close enough and I meant in how the character is vampire adjacent and acts like astarion, with the somewhat flamboyant sarcasm and not not quite evil but not good either. I wanted a character who was "doubly damned" as being both undead and a tiefling. I suppose he still can, he just doesn't get the feats of both, but the appearance of a tiefling who has very pale skin, red eyes, fangs and other hints of his dhampir nature seems quite possible.
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Is this somehow possible?technically yes, but mechanically not as far as I know. When it comes to having multiple heritages or ancestries in your bloodline, you're asked to decide which had the most prominent influence on your stats.
Yes. For rules citation, I would point to this: Versatile Heritage: Unlimited possibilities.
However, it may be possible you could work with your GM to take the Adopted feat to represent an additional heritage and at least gain feats from it.
That is a very good houserule.
So basically he can cosmetically look like a tiefling but under the hood is a dhampir plus whatever base race I choose?
I think what your asking is how can you be human looking with fiend and vampire blood. Otherwise, a tiefling is just a fiend blooded something else, thus just mixing tiefling and dhampir would be a dhampir Balor or dhampire Merilith.
Thus sorcerer would be the best way to mechanically bring that out, though you won't have access to Nephalim feats.
It shouldn't be hard to convince your GM to allow adopted ancestry to work with non common options and mix blood heritages, the limitation seems counter productive to me.
I'm just going for "looks like a tiefling but is a dhampir" at this point. His base race would be elf or human.
He's not human looking. His skin is very pale like a vampire/dhampir, he has red eyes, horns and tail. Tieflings apparently have fangs themselves sometimes too but his would be from dhampir side.
Is this somehow possible?
Only if you take the "Linking Park continuously playing in the background" ancestry feat.
They are too tame for this concept.
They are too tame for this concept.
Then I recommend using a homebrewed dual-class Demon Hunter / Death Knight character from World of Warcraft to round it out. ;)
Is this somehow possible?technically yes, but mechanically not as far as I know. When it comes to having multiple heritages or ancestries in your bloodline, you're asked to decide which had the most prominent influence on your stats.Yes. For rules citation, I would point to this: Versatile Heritage: Unlimited possibilities.
However, it may be possible you could work with your GM to take the Adopted feat to represent an additional heritage and at least gain feats from it.That is a very good houserule.
I think the Custom Mixed Heritage is the right rules reference. It does require you to work with your GM.
I think the Custom Mixed Heritage is the right rules reference. It does require you to work with your GM.
It is close, but it is not the same.
Mixed Heritage lets you have a heritage from a different ancestry. A Gnome with half-Kobold heritage, for example.
What OP is asking for is a single ancestry with multiple heritage choices - specifically a couple of versatile heritage options: Nephilim heritage and Dhampir heritage. Some other examples would be Elf with both Woodland Elf heritage and Aiuvarin heritage, or Gnome with both Chameleon Gnome and Sensate Gnome heritage.
"Looks like a tiefling" sounds very D&D to me.
I know you already know what you want to look like, but hopefully this will help broaden horizons a bit.
First off "looks human" as opposed to any ancestry that's small, has scales, has a tail, has a snout, has leaves, has bark, has wings, has petals, etc as all ancestries can be tieflings.
Second what exact demon, devil, daemon does your blood come from, as that could have drastically different effects on your looks and mannerisms. Knowing what type of fiend blood you have can give insight on different ways to play your character, also give your GM fuel for stories to explore.
I hope you have a GM that will work with you for this idea. Perhaps using the deep backgrounds option you could work with your GM to achieve this goal.
Sadly even taking vampire AT likely wouldn't get the mechanics you want as it's different then Dhampir, and there's no Dragon Disciple type AT for fiends. Might be able to swing it with Pactbinder or Living Vessel ATs and just say you take on aspects of the creature you are bound to, they are uncommon and rare though so still sitting at the talk with your GM spot.
They are too tame for this concept.Then I recommend using a homebrewed dual-class Demon Hunter / Death Knight character from World of Warcraft to round it out. ;)
I meant Linking Park
I play both PFS and a discord tabletop. I'm thinking up secondary characters for the tabletop because we are in a very bad situation and one PC is almost dead. lol
PFS if he just looked like a Tiefling, but was a Dhampir would be fine. They already were ok with a concept for a Gnoll who actually looks like a Wolf person instead of a Hyena. There's a daughter of one of the organizers who plays a Tengu that looks like a Goose instead.
All the people I game with, PFS included seem to be cool with something being merely cosmetic.
Something similar came up in my game.
One of my players wanted to be half orc half elf and a changeling.
Character background and storywise theres no issue with it. Mechanics just need to picked to start. at least these options can all be gained by taking one of the ancestries with changling at level 1 and adopted ancestry at level 3 flavored more as taking on some aspects of their other ancestry and customs.
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The campaign has been stricter in the past about this kind of thing. I don't know what the current sentiment is.
Out of curiosity, though,
At any rate, I would probably not try to bring a character like this to PFS. Or if you do, be clear about what their actual ancestry and heritage are, as it may be mechanically relevant (even if it's unlikely).
Or, to put it another way, in BG3, if you give your Tav Tiefling features, but they aren't a Tiefling, you aren't going to get those dialogue prompts.
For a game outside of PFS, as others have said, talk it over with your GM.
I think it could possibly come up in PFS or any other game I play in. The local PFS organizers are friends and are probably more flexible than ones you've played with, as I already stated. One's own daughter plays as a Tengu that looks like a Goose. Zero problems. I asked about an idea for a Gnoll who looks like a Wolf Person instead. None of them had problems with it. Totally ok as long as its just cosmetic, so I think my idea works. I have a feeling that if this was D&D Adventures League, they'd be far less flexible.
The heritage at this point is either elf or human base, dhampir for the versatile and tiefling for cosmetic.
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My lumberjack who would like an ox companion wishes all PFS tables were as flexible.
If you’re consistently playing with the same group, then it will probably be fine. If you take the character to a convention or play a random table online (both are part of the fun of PFS for me), you might get questions.
Your friend’s daughter can play an actual goose now, fwiw. Well, for a significant achievement point investment, anyway. One solution to there not being a bovine animal companion that has been suggested to me is to just make a second character that is an awakened Ox. lol.
If you just want to look like a Tiefling, just ask your GM if you can take the Ifrit's Sinister Appearance feat.
If you want to combine two versatile heritages, have your GM consider adapting the Awakened Animal's Late Awakener feat: usually Awakened Animals must select a heritage (land/swimming/flying animal), so they would be precluded from versatile heritages; but with this feat they can get their heritage in addition to a chosen versatile heritage. It could work for you as well taking 2 versatile heritages instead..
Yeah, I was holding out hope on that one, but was again disappointed.My lumberjack who would like an ox companion wishes all PFS tables were as flexible.I'm so annoyed we didn't get a bovine animal companion in Howl of the Wild. A book with *minotaurs*.
Triceratops works well as one stat-wise as long as you don't mind some reflavoring.
My lumberjack who would like an ox companion wishes all PFS tables were as flexible.
If you’re consistently playing with the same group, then it will probably be fine. If you take the character to a convention or play a random table online (both are part of the fun of PFS for me), you might get questions.
Your friend’s daughter can play an actual goose now, fwiw. Well, for a significant achievement point investment, anyway. One solution to there not being a bovine animal companion that has been suggested to me is to just make a second character that is an awakened Ox. lol.
Well I'm just doing cosmetic. An actual Ox companion sounds like it needs a write up?
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It does. The alternative would be to have a boar mechanically(for example) that looked like an Ox, but I know better than to expect that to work in PFS. I would much prefer they just publish a bull companion. I’ve considered going Summoner dedication instead of Beastmaster, because then it could look like whatever, but the Summoner dedication isn’t very good from an action economy standpoint.
Edit: to fill in some of the history, there was a point where things like having a dog that looked like a pig or having a tengu with yellow feathers were specifically not allowed in PFS through the no reskinning rule. But that was 1st edition, and it’s almost entirely a different group of people running the campaign now, so I’m not sure what the official stance is anymore. I still basically run across some version of you can’t get any mechanical benefit from it, which makes sense.