I'm currently playing a cleric of CC. For character story purposes, I thought that it'd be interesting to take him down the path of a good or archlich and continue adventuring while spreading drinks and freedom.
My question is would CC allow a worshipper of his to do so?
Since necromancy isn't evil, I think there would be no issue there. The only issue I could possibly see is with animating the dead. I don't see him allowing me to animate any creature you'd come across, but I do see him allowing the reanimation of evil creatures or creatures with evil intentions, since you would then be freeing them from their torment in whatever level of hell/the abyss they happen to be going to.
Interested in other's thoughts on this.
Technically you're not freeing them from any level of torment, since even if you're turning their corpse into a meat puppet, their soul stays where it is in the lower planes.
That said, undead (other than ghosts) are universally considered evil in Golarion, and spells that generate them have the [evil] tag so casting them is grounds for an immediate loss of your deity's favor.
Plus turning corpses into mindless slaves seems like the opposite of freedom to me...
I think the real question is, do you still have your sense of taste once you become a lich? Because if not, there's no way CC is down with that. "Unable to taste wine" is possibly the worst punishment you could inflict on a cleric of his, not something someone should do willingly.
...where are you getting necromancy as not evil? The school sure, the spells you're talking about (as in raising undead): Animate Dead wrote: School necromancy [evil]; Create Undead wrote: School necromancy [evil]; Create Greater Undead wrote: School necromancy [evil]; Part of it is Paizo's fluff for Golarion bleeding over into mechanics, but the other part is that most of these things, without someone yanking hard on a leash, will wander off and @#$%ing kill all living things they find. So... creating a bunch of ravenous cannibalistic murderers who only won't hurt people if you enslave them immediately... That's great Asmodean material right there (especially if you shake people down for "protection"), CC not so much.
Necromancy may not be evil, but creating undead is considered evil. As Saethori mentioned in Golarion undead are almost always evil. Ghost are the only exception to this rule, and even ghost are usually evil even if the original creature was not. Besides undead can’t get drunk so you would be a pretty poor cleric of Cayden Cailean. That alone may be enough to cause you to fall.
Yeah undead-creation spells are always evil in Golarion, and not kosher for a cleric of a good aligned god (and some neutral aligned gods). Also unintelligent undead definitely do not contain the soul of the creature and intelligent undead sometimes seem to be more of a sort of psychic echo of the creature rather than the actual creature so you are likely not fixing the problem of them being in the lower planes, and besides you have to enslave the resultant undead or they will kill people.
I would easily say that in Golarion, every single good-aligned deity and church would absolutely balk at the idea of one of their clerics attempting to become a lich. Because you're not an arcane caster, most clerics attempt to become liches with the blessing of their deity, and you sure as hell wouldn't get any kind of blessing like that from Cayden. Not to mention the fact that even if you didn't get a blessing from your deity, the method of becoming a lich requires you to do horrifically evil acts. If your GM wants to rule that there are good liches in your setting that's fine, but undead-hood is not what a standard cleric of a good-aligned deity should be pursuing and you would absolutely fall and become an ex-cleric in the act. The same thing as if you attempted to repeatedly cast evil spells from a wand or scroll in an attempt to raise or create undead.
Also, to Bob Bob Bob, ever since the start of 3.0 undead creation and animation spells have been Evil with a capital E. I don't know where you're getting this idea that "Golarion fluff is influencing setting neutral books!!!!1!"
Ashram wrote: I would easily say that in Golarion, every single good-aligned deity and church would absolutely balk at the idea of one of their clerics attempting to become a lich.
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Also, to Bob Bob Bob, ever since the start of 3.0 undead creation and animation spells have been Evil with a capital E. I don't know where you're getting this idea that "Golarion fluff is influencing setting neutral books!!!!1!"
Srekcins wrote: I'm currently playing a cleric of CC. For character story purposes, I thought that it'd be interesting to take him down the path of a good or archlich and continue adventuring while spreading drinks and freedom.
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I was referring to the fact that in 3.5 there existed non-evil undead. Non-evil undead like the OP was referring to when they talked about the archlich. Paizo, on the other hand, has said: Doesn't mean you can't change things in your world, but with the exception of some ghosts, you probably won't be seeing Paizo ever publish non-evil undead, or non-evil spells or methods to control and create undead. Except when something slips through the cracks, as in the case of the Juju Oracle, unfortunately. The Juju oracle mystery was even reprinted to remove their ability to do just that.
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