| Wren Tantalo |
So I am curious... I am trying to make a more serious, grim cleric of Torag.
What domains can I pick from because I am confused by the alignment constriction. My cleric is a Chaotic good, and at the same time he likes toil, can I choose a sub-domain slavery through Torag's toil or do I need to become a separatist and take Droskah's version of Toil/slavery?
| David knott 242 |
Torag is lawful good, so your chaotic good cleric cannot have Torag as his deity. Nothing in the Separatist archetype removes or relaxes the one step alignment restriction.
A cleric of a lawful good deity has to be lawful good, neutral good, or lawful neutral.
| Drahliana Moonrunner |
Toil is a valid subdomain for Torag, you don't need separatist to take that. Neither Artifice nor its subdomain Toil is restricted by alignment.
Sure, you could take separatist if you want a domain not on Torag's list like Darkness or Trickery, but there's no need for your stated purpose.
You really are dipping into the evil bucket if you're taking a domain like slavery. It would be a hard sell for me as a GM.
| The Steel Refrain |
I would argue dwarvern culture. :D
Are you joking -- or do you really think Dwarven culture involves slavery?
I agree with Drahliana that a PC wanting to choose the Slavery subdomain would raise some serious questions for me as a DM. I also don't see how it meshes at all with a character concept that started out as Chaotic Good (before being advised that won't work as a cleric of Torag).
It also seems to me that Torag would be very much opposed to slavery. Instead, I see him as valuing hard work because of the pride involved in doing it, and how it shapes the doer, while also contributing to the community. Slavery seems like the antithesis of that sort of view to me.
Furthermore, consider the following line regarding Torag: "Of all these gods, only the bitter Droskar, a former student and now the duergar god of toil and slavery, holds no allegiance to Torag. The two deities are engaged in a slow-burning cold war that has continued for centuries."
EDIT: See also the following regarding *why* Droskar fell from favour with Torag: "Originally one of the greatest student smiths of Torag, it was discovered that he had been copying his work from another whom he had enslaved. For this he was cursed by the Father of Creation to never be able to create an original work and cast from the pantheon. Rejected, he searched for followers of his own, promising them salvation in return for ceaseless work or simply enslaving them. None of these helped him, however, or inspired any originality within the god."