Sniping With a Shotgun: Who is Denied Their Dexterity?

[Garbage-Tier Waifu]

As ridiculous as the title might sound, if you snipe from a hidden position (or in the open with Hide in Plain Sight or similiar features) and you are using a scatter weapon, are all targets of the attack denied their Dexterity bonus against the attack or just one of the creatures targeted by the scatter weapon? Am I even able use sniping with a shotgun? Im unsure, given that it is multiple attack rolls from the scatter quality but Sniping says you can use Stealth after AN attack roll. How exactly does scatter work with sniping, since I'm firing once.

[Diego Rossi]

PRD wrote:

When a scatter weapon attacks all creatures within a cone, it makes a separate attack roll against each creature within the cone. Each attack roll takes a –2 penalty, and its attack damage cannot be modified by precision damage or damage-increasing feats such as Vital Strike.

If you are firing scatter ammunition you don't add sneak attack.

[Azten]

How weird is it that Point Blank Shot doesn't apply to scatter ammo?

[Diego Rossi]

Azten wrote:

How weird is it that Point Blank Shot doesn't apply to scatter ammo?

Scattershot is essentially a kind of area attack, it is hard to benefit from extra accuracy when you are attacking an area.

[Trojan Flumph]

Diego Rossi wrote:

If you are firing scatter ammunition you don't add sneak attack.

That wasn't the question.

[Diego Rossi]

Trojan Flumph wrote:

Diego Rossi wrote:

If you are firing scatter ammunition you don't add sneak attack.

That wasn't the question.

But it is very relevant when the question is about sniping and denying dexterity.

[wraithstrike]

Anyone who can't perceive you is denied dex, but Diego Ross is also correct about sneak attack, which the OP did mention, so him answering that in advance is a good thing.

[Trojan Flumph]

wraithstrike wrote:

Anyone who can't perceive you is denied dex, but Diego Ross is also correct about sneak attack, which the OP did mention, so him answering that in advance is a good thing.

While I'm in no way denying that it's relevant, all I'm saying is that the question, while possibly asked for Sneak Attack, does not in fact contain any reference to Sneak Attack and thus does not answer the question asked.

[Garbage-Tier Waifu]

wraithstrike wrote:

Anyone who can't perceive you is denied dex, but Diego Ross is also correct about sneak attack, which the OP did mention, so him answering that in advance is a good thing.

I actually didn't but I was mostly curious how the rules worked here. It wasn't so much about sneak attack but a curiosity. Sorry if there was confusion :P

[Kazaan]

Anyone who is unaware of you or unable to react is denied their Dex to AC. This includes, but is not limited to, someone who can't perceive you due to stealth, someone who is flat-footed (hasn't had their turn in initiative yet), is performing certain actions like climbing, etc. If you succeed at your stealth check, then the people don't notice you and will be denied their Dex to AC against the attack. It doesn't matter that the gun is really loud when it fires if that's what you're worried about, because the sound of a shotgun going off is usually a very bad last-resort to know that someone is sneaking up on you. However, as was noted above, you wouldn't gain sneak attack damage on the attack due to the limitations of the weapon itself.

[Garbage-Tier Waifu]

No, I totally got that part. The part I was concerned about was the technicality of how many ranged attacks were being made somehow invalidated the snipe attempt, because in the sniping rules text, it states that you can make one ranged attack before entering stealth. So is firing once a single ranged attack or multiple?

Here are the rules explicitly for Sniping

"Sniping" wrote:

If you've already successfully used Stealth at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack and then immediately use Stealth again. You take a –20 penalty on your Stealth check to maintain your obscured location.

So if an effect causes you to make multiple ranged attacks, even if it is a standard action and an attack action in of itself, but the entire series of attacks are not one 'attack' (like Scorching Ray), does this mean sniping is impossible?

[Diego Rossi]

You are firing a single ranged attack that affect an area.

Let's say that you are an arcane archer with a quickened burning hands spell and you imbue an arrow with it. You can snipe when firing that arrow? Sure.
Affecting an area don't change the Even if you will affect an area, you are still firing a single arrow.