The skinwalker race already has a lesser version of Lycan form so can they be a lycanthrope? If so can the skinwalkers lesser form and a skinwalkers lycan form be used independently?
While we are on the subject can a damphir become a full vampire and will their alternate race traits and race feats stack with vampirism?
PS: sorry if the answer is obvious I am a new player and a new user :D
Technically nothing stops them from acquiring Lycanthropy, other than being silly (like making a Werewolf Tengu).
I don't think they can contract lycanthrope because they already have the shapechanger subtype. Doesn't that disqualify them from the template?
Belabras wrote: I don't think they can contract lycanthrope because they already have the shapechanger subtype. Doesn't that disqualify them from the template?
The strange thing though is the website d20pfsrd says that actual lycanthropes don't respect skinwalkers and they will either kill skinwalkers or turn skinwalkers.... the thread itself was more detailed I just used my own words. But where can I see that shapechangers can't be Lycans?
Actual thread "Relations: Skinwalkers mostly populate human settlements and communities. They tend to get along with catfolk, tengus, and members of other animal-like races (including lycanthropes), and are comfortable taking their animalistic forms in the company of these fellows. However, many natural lycanthropes see skinwalkers as weaker, inferior versions of their own kind, and some lycanthropes even take to infecting or even hunting their distant kin."
Belabras wrote: I don't think they can contract lycanthrope because they already have the shapechanger subtype. Doesn't that disqualify them from the template?
It does not.
""Lycanthrope" is an inherited (for natural lycanthropes) or acquired (for afflicted lycanthropes) template that can be added to any humanoid."
jcdman1 wrote: Actual thread "Relations: Skinwalkers mostly populate human settlements and communities. They tend to get along with catfolk, tengus, and members of other animal-like races (including lycanthropes), and are comfortable taking their animalistic forms in the company of these fellows. However, many natural lycanthropes see skinwalkers as weaker, inferior versions of their own kind, and some lycanthropes even take to infecting or even hunting their distant kin."
If lycanthropes are infecting them, then they're becoming lycanthropes. (At least, I'm pretty sure they're not giving them the flu.)
Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote: jcdman1 wrote: Actual thread "Relations: Skinwalkers mostly populate human settlements and communities. They tend to get along with catfolk, tengus, and members of other animal-like races (including lycanthropes), and are comfortable taking their animalistic forms in the company of these fellows. However, many natural lycanthropes see skinwalkers as weaker, inferior versions of their own kind, and some lycanthropes even take to infecting or even hunting their distant kin."
If lycanthropes are infecting them, then they're becoming lycanthropes. (At least, I'm pretty sure they're not giving them the flu.) But would they still keep there original racial shape change ability? A Suli lycanthrope can still use elemental assault even if it's a lycanthrope so why couldn't skinwalkers? Would that be a house rule thing?
The could, yes, but it wouldn't stack with hybrid form since both are polymorph effects.
jcdman1 wrote: Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote: jcdman1 wrote: Actual thread "Relations: Skinwalkers mostly populate human settlements and communities. They tend to get along with catfolk, tengus, and members of other animal-like races (including lycanthropes), and are comfortable taking their animalistic forms in the company of these fellows. However, many natural lycanthropes see skinwalkers as weaker, inferior versions of their own kind, and some lycanthropes even take to infecting or even hunting their distant kin."
If lycanthropes are infecting them, then they're becoming lycanthropes. (At least, I'm pretty sure they're not giving them the flu.) But would they still keep there original racial shape change ability? A Suli lycanthrope can still use elemental assault even if it's a lycanthrope so why couldn't skinwalkers? Would that be a house rule thing? You'd need special effort for suli lycanthropes(template requires humanoid, suli are outsiders)
Not much effort though.
"Suli Alternate Racial Traits wrote: Mostly Human: A few sulis have appearances much closer to those of their human ancestors; in fact, they may not even realize their true race. Such geniekin appear to be human, save perhaps minor features like unusual eye color, and they count as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native) for all purposes (such as humanoid-affecting spells such as charm person or enlarge person). These geniekin do not automatically gain their associated elemental language (but may select it as a bonus language if their Intelligence is high enough). This ability alters the geniekin's type, subtype, and languages. Bold emphasis added.
Azten wrote: Not much effort though.
"Suli Alternate Racial Traits wrote: Mostly Human: A few sulis have appearances much closer to those of their human ancestors; in fact, they may not even realize their true race. Such geniekin appear to be human, save perhaps minor features like unusual eye color, and they count as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native) for all purposes (such as humanoid-affecting spells such as charm person or enlarge person). These geniekin do not automatically gain their associated elemental language (but may select it as a bonus language if their Intelligence is high enough). This ability alters the geniekin's type, subtype, and languages. Bold emphasis added.
I figured that was around, that's why I didn't say it was impossible
BTW, if anyone wants more evidence,
Despite their shapechanging abilities, they are not immune to infection from full lycanthropes. And I'd think it'd be mentioned if that took away their previous shapechanging, so yeah, it stays. But they can't do both at once, as has been mentioned.
Azten wrote: Belabras wrote: I don't think they can contract lycanthrope because they already have the shapechanger subtype. Doesn't that disqualify them from the template?
It does not.
""Lycanthrope" is an inherited (for natural lycanthropes) or acquired (for afflicted lycanthropes) template that can be added to any humanoid." Ok, I wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification.
Y'all are awesome thanks for the help!!!
Could a Suli werewolf use elemental assault while in hybrid form??
Nope. While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form. Elemental assault is supernatural.
P.S. Okay, I'm not 100% positive elemental assault "depends on your original form" in the necessary way. But that is definitely the relevant rules text! ;-)
Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote: Nope. While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form. Elemental assault is supernatural.
P.S. Okay, I'm not 100% positive elemental assault "depends on your original form" in the necessary way. But that is definitely the relevant rules text! ;-) Damn -_- it would be awesome to have a werewolf with flaming arms mauling some creatures face.
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