Evangelist progresses the aligned class, giving you all of the benefits of the aligned class as if you had taken 9 more levels of it.
So a Wizard 5/Evangelist 10 has all of the abilities of a Wizard 14 plus the evangelist bonuses on top of that.
When you have finished the Evangelist Prestige Class levels, can you resume taking levels in the base class?
Would you have to go back to the 6th level and gain redundant features or can you jump to Level 15, and continue on from there?
Evangelist adds to your class.
Any Wizard X/ Evangelist 10 will have an effective wizard level of X+9.
Wiz6/Evang10? You have the same features as a Wizard 15 (plus the extras given by Evang). Order you took the levels in doesn't matter, you do not have to deal with gaining the same feature multiple times.
While that is certainly how i hope it works, can you point out the wording in Aligned Class (Ex) that you believe makes this be true?
For Reference:
Aligned Class (Ex)
Evangelists come from many different backgrounds, and they show an unusual range of diversity. At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
That is the way all prestige classes work. From Wizard 5/Evangelist 10 you could advance to Wizard 6/Evangelist 10. Hit points, skill ranks, BAB, and saves would improve as though you advanced from Wizard 5 to Wizard 6, as your Aligned Class feature does not cover those. Any other class ability affected by your Aligned Class feature would advance from 14th level to 15th level. In general, you are a 6th level wizard for anything your prestige class does not advance and some higher level for anything that it does.
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"She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains."
The aligned class is Wizard. This says you add [Evangelist level - 1] + Wizard level to determine what wizard level class features you get.
Thus, a Wiz 6 / Evangelist 10 who takes another level of Wizard is no different than one who took seven levels of Wizard first, and the 10 Evangelist levels thereafter. You just do the math... [10 - 1] + 7 = 16th level wizard class features.
@ CBDunkerson - Are you saying that the benefits that the prestige class grants you (in terms of aligned class features gained) are fluid? That the benefits change as you take additional levels in the base class?
I had been thinking that the benefits gained were more rigid. For example, with a Monk 5/Evangelist 10, I had thought that
Evangelist 2 had provided a bonus feat
Evangelist 3 had provided the Ki Pool....
Evangelist 9 had provided Diamond Soul
and Evangelist 10 provided another Bonus Feat.
And that these benefits were firmly set.
So when you took Monk 6, you couldn't just say it gives you Quivering Palm, because Monk 6 grants a Bonus Feat (and a redundant ability to ignore 30' of falling damage, due to Evangelist providing a total of 70' ignored)
Interesting... I can now see how the alternate reading of the class ability could work. And it is how i will rule it in my own games now.
Thank you.
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Another way of looking at it is that whether you gain a level in the base class or as an evangelist you are increasing your 'effective' base class level. So... a Wizard 6 / Evangelist 10 has an 'effective' Wizard level of 15. If they take another level in Wizard their effective level increases to 16.
In any case, you can just keep taking levels and gaining the benefits of the combined total.
Yup, it's fluid. Evangelist just boosts your aligned classes effective level up for features and such.
Yup, it's fluid. Evangelist just boosts your aligned classes effective level up for features and such.
Yes.. but if you skip being a dutiful lad on your obediences because you were too busy one day, you're in hose city.
Yup, it's fluid. Evangelist just boosts your aligned classes effective level up for features and such.Yes.. but if you skip being a dutiful lad on your obediences because you were too busy one day, you're in hose city.
This is true, but some of the obediences give you the opportunity for some fun. Personally, I still love an old worshiper of Socothbenoth of mine. Pages 68 and 69 of the party Clerics holy book (A la, the Bestiary 1) were always stuck together.
Yeah - my Obedience just requires that I either brew/drink some tea with my fellow party members 1/day, or spar with them for a few minutes each day. IF a caster has time to prepare spells, I have time to brew tea or swing a stick for a few minutes.
And even if we are ambushed in the morning, before spell prep can occur, so long as I can find the time at some point that day to get around to it, I will not lose the abilities.
Problems may arise if i am locked up in a cell of a dungeon, in manacles - attached to a wall... but that is a pretty dire situation to be in anyway. Fortunately - my deity is of the Liberation domain, and i doubt she would forsake me in my most desperate time of need for liberation. She may accept verbal sparring with prisoners in neighboring cells. and if i am in a solitary cell, with no one else around - then I could still meet the requirements by sparring with myself via some sort of mental exercise.
Sorry for the necro, but better this than starting a new thread. ;)
I'm looking at a Monk / Evangelist gaining ki powers. Am I correct in believing that the effective level for determining which ki powers are available would be (Monk) + (Evangelist - 1)?
I ask because I happen to be using Hero Lab, and it won't allow me to acquire ki powers unless my Monk level (sans Evangelist) is equal to the prerequisite in the ki power.