RAW, Rage, Furious Finish, Fatigued - Errata Request (PFS)


Rules Questions


What happens, by RAW, when you use Furious Finish?

Furious Finish
While raging, when you use the Vital Strike feat, you can choose not to roll your damage dice and instead deal damage equal to the maximum roll possible on those damage dice. If you do, your rage immediately ends, and you are fatigued (even if you would not normally be).

Rage (ending)
A barbarian can end her rage as a free action and is fatigued after rage for a number of rounds equal to 2 times the number of rounds spent in the rage.

Fatigued
A fatigued character can neither run nor charge and takes a –2 penalty to Strength and Dexterity. Doing anything that would normally cause fatigue causes the fatigued character to become exhausted. After 8 hours of complete rest, fatigued characters are no longer fatigued.

Question (going strictly by RAW) -
What happens after you use Furious Finish?

Here's what it looks to me to do
Furious Finish ends the Rage, from ending the Rage you become Fatigued.
Furious Finish also applies the Fatigued condition to you.

You now have two conditions of Fatigue. Do you become exhausted?
This is going by strict RAW.

How long does it take to recover from Furious Finish Fatigued condition?
By RAW it's looking like 8 hours, as Furious Finish has applied the Fatigued condition and not the Rage power.

If this is all correct for Furious Finish (by RAW) it completely destroys Vital Strike/Furious Finish builds


I think that the last part is aimed at stopping the common rage cycling builds from using this too much.

It doesn't apply two conditions of fatigued, it's just clarifying that your rage ending does still come with the fatigued penalty.


Wait so if immune to fatigue, can you use Furious Finish?


Yep.

Furious Finish wrote:
If you do, immediately ends, and you are fatigued (even if you would not normally be).

That allows barbarians past 17th level to continue to use it.


This topic came up in a PFS meeting and PFS is by RAW.

Question just came up because of the number of ways PFS players used RAW to avoid or reduce the Fatigued condition when using Furious Finish and Rage cycling.

So we started parsing the RAW of everything and this is some of the stuff we came up with.

Sczarni

Matt2VK wrote:
This topic came up in a PFS meeting and PFS is by RAW.

This is a commonly held belief outside of PFS, but it is not supported anywhere in any Society document, or by Campaign Leadership.

GMs are encouraged to issue common sense rulings and progress with the game.

An overly literal parsing of text is only one way to interpret a written passage. Often times, it is not the best method.

Pathfinder is written in a conversational style. It is not a technical manual.

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