Can Mesmerist with Bold Stare (Psychic Inception) use Intimidate on mindless targets?


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Didn't find out anything special on forums about that topiс. If I understand correctly then Intimidate (demoralization -> shaken condition) is mind-effecting fear effect. As per Bold Stare (Psychic Inception) description states that such targets can be targeted with spell and abilities. Does that mean, that as level 3 Mesmerist I can intimidate Undead, Construct, Vermin, etc. creatures with Intimidation check giving them shaken condition?


No. It would need to specifically state it bypasses the ability to get past their immunity.


Psychic Inception wrote:
The mesmerist can also partially affect such a creature with his mind-affecting spells and abilities if it’s under the effect of his hypnotic stare; it gains a +2 bonus on its saving throw (if any), and if affected, it still has a 50% chance each round of ignoring the effect. Ignoring the effect doesn’t end the effect, but does allow the creature to act normally for that round.

I think the bigger hurdle is that intimidate is a skill, not an ability. 'Ability' normally refers to class or race granted abilities, not skill use.


dragonhunterq wrote:
Psychic Inception wrote:
The mesmerist can also partially affect such a creature with his mind-affecting spells and abilities if it’s under the effect of his hypnotic stare; it gains a +2 bonus on its saving throw (if any), and if affected, it still has a 50% chance each round of ignoring the effect. Ignoring the effect doesn’t end the effect, but does allow the creature to act normally for that round.
I think the bigger hurdle is that intimidate is a skill, not an ability. 'Ability' normally refers to class or race granted abilities, not skill use.

From the skills page:

"Skills represent some of the most basic and yet most fundamental abilities your character possesses.'


I would agree that "spells and abilities" includes skill checks. There are several specified types of abilities (e.g. spell-like abilities or class abilities) but the term itself is very broad and can describe almost anything a character can do.

As the Psychic Inception grants you the chance to ignore a creatures immunity to mind-affecting effects and thats the only thing stopping you from demoralizing undead or vermin you should be good to go. Of course they still have a 50% to ignore that condition each round.


Hey look, another thread on this subject.

I would say the mesmerist could use intimidate, it is a mind affecting ability. Possibly the only skill that is.

Scarab Sages

They can also feint mindless with bluff using psychic inception as well.


The problem here is that intimidate is a fear effect, and the mentioned creatures are immune to fear effects. I would have to check each one seperately to be sure they call out fear though.

I also think abilities refers to special abilities, but it might be worth an FAQ for that.


I was incorrect. Fear is not called out except for very few creatures as a specific immunity, and nothing says it is a mind affecting by default.

Scarab Sages

Per this FAQ, intimidate is a mind-affecting fear effect.


Imbicatus wrote:
Per this FAQ, intimidate is a mind-affecting feat effect.

I thought it just said it was a fear effect, but in that case it won't work since the named creatures are immune to mind effects.

Scarab Sages

Psychic inception allows creatures immune to mind-affecting to be affected by them. It doesn't do anything to fear immunity though. It would allow you to intimidate a spider for example.


Skill: A skill represents a creature's ability to perform an ordinary task, such as climb a wall, sneak down a hallway, or spot an intruder. The number of ranks possessed by a creature in a given skill represents its proficiency in that skill. As a creature gains Hit Dice, it also gains additional skill ranks that can be added to its skills

Thus skill is an ability


Imbicatus wrote:
Psychic inception allows creatures immune to mind-affecting to be affected by them. It doesn't do anything to fear immunity though. It would allow you to intimidate a spider for example.

I see the first sense was chopped off in the above comments. That is what threw me off.

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