Spear Dancer

[magispitt]

If you had a one-handed spear like weapon, and make it large, does it count as a two handed weapon for this feat?

*Edit: With this feat how would sneak attack work? I see two options:

1. The first hit dazzles the target for one round; all subsequent hits that round count for sneak attack

2. The first hit dazzles the target for one round; all subsequent hits that round & that hit count for sneak attack

[Saethori]

First question: There is a difference between "a two-handed weapon" and "a weapon you are holding two-handed". A spear that is normally one-handed is a one-handed weapon, even if you are wielding it with two hands at the time.

Second question: Example 1. You hit, then they are dazzled, then you hit again with your next iterative attack, they are dazzled for this hit so you apply sneak attack.

[magispitt]

Thanks for the speedy reply!

What if this spear was like the bastard sword, in that it was a one-handed exotic weapon but a two-handed martial weapon?

[Saethori]

Ugh, I'm still kinda upset with the bastard sword after that last thread.

It's a one handed weapon. You can use it with two hands if you have martial proficiency, but this isn't the same as actually being proficient with our hypothetical bastard spear. If you were proficient with it, then you could use it in one hand, and if you weren't proficient in it, then you can't take Weapon Focus with it, and by extension Spear Dancing does nothing even if it were two-handed.

So that won't work, either.

[magispitt]

Alright, thanks for the quick reply!

[Cory Stafford 29]

Dazzled doesn't let you get sneak attack. It just gives them a -1 to some rolls. They need to be flat-footed, blind, stunned, or flanked for you to get sneak attack unless you are invisible or hidden when you make your attack.

[magispitt]

Cory Stafford 29 wrote:

Dazzled doesn't let you get sneak attack. It just gives them a -1 to some rolls. They need to be flat-footed, blind, stunned, or flanked for you to get sneak attack unless you are invisible or hidden when you make your attack.

That's true, unless you use this third party feat

[Kazaan]

Few clarifications I see need to be made. First, while wielding a one-handed weapon in two hands doesn't normally qualify it as a 2-h weapon (unless it's an exotic weapon with generous grip like Bastard Sword), wielding an oversized or undersized weapon actually does apply a new "virtual" handedness category. A Medium character wielding a Large one-handed spear would, indeed, treat it as if it were a 2-h weapon for matters of wielding it. It takes two hands and gets 1.5x Str and Power Attack and can use feats/abilities like Pushing Assault or Overhand Chop, but it no longer counts as one-handed for other rules elements such as Spell Combat requiring a light or one-handed weapon.

Second, the logic for Bastard Swords being dual 1-h/2-h weapons is due to the notion that you shouldn't "lose" the capacity to wield it fully as a 2-h weapon just because you became "more" proficient with it. If you lack EWP, you must treat it as if it were a 2-h martial weapon, but if you have EWP, that doesn't mysteriously amputate its capacity to count as a 2-h weapon.

Lastly, the Spear Dancing feat in question doesn't restrict you to an "appropriately sized weapon" as some other feats do so you could use it with any sized weapon so long as it "counts as" a 2-h weapon for you (and also has reach). "Counts as 2-h weapon" includes an actual 2-h weapon appropriately sized for you, an exotic weapon with generous grip (like the Bastard Sword) wielded in two hands (with or without EWP), a 1-h weapon one size too big for you, a light weapon two sizes too big for you, or any other rules element that instructs you to treat your weapon as two-handed. Notably, a Lance while mounted would also count because "wield in one hand" for a 2-h weapon doesn't change handedness any more than "wield in two hands" for a 1-h weapon does ("wield in one hand" and "wield one-handed" are counted as different in the Pathfinder system). However, the Spear in Pathfinder is 1-h, but lacks Reach so it can't be used with that feat. So far as I can tell, a Large Whip would be the only "off-size" weapon that works since it would count as 2-h for you (presuming you're a medium creature) and it has reach. All other reach weapons would already be two-handed for an appropriately sized creature. Beyond that, you'd need to use the Custom Weapon Creation rules to design an exotic weapon with generous grip (the Bastard Sword, Katana, etc. feature) and reach.