All Ioun Stones are CL 12. However an Ioun Torch says its just a burnt out dull grey ioun stone that has had continual flame cast on it. So - while it would take a CL12 to create one from scratch - it seems pretty clear that the process for making them in game is that you buy a used up old dull grey ioun stone, you cast the spell on it, and sell it on the cheap.
That brings me to last night - I had a Huge Water Elemental atop an underground river that wanted to use his DRENCH ability to dispel the continual flame that was on the Ioun Torch so that the archer who had tossed the stone near the elemental would no longer be able to see, and would stop shooting him.
It seems like with continual flame being a 2nd level spell, the magic fire would only have a CL3 backing it up, thereby making the Dispel Check DC a 14.
But the players said the Ioun Torch is listed as a CL 12 magic item, therefore the dispel should be a DC 23.
What do you all think?
I would go off of Continual Flame on an Ioun Torch as being considered a second level spell, for the circumstances involved.
However, worth noting is that a water elemental could not dispel it with the Drench ability. Contrary to the name, Continual Flame is a [light] spell, not a [fire] one; it does not count as a magical fire.
facepalm.
ok. thanks
And even if it did work, it would only suppress the ioun stone for 1d4 rounds.
But yeah, it's not actually magical fire. It's doesn't burn or give off heat. It does look like a flame, but it's really more like a hologram of a flame that gives off light.
Claxon -
Again - I was saying that the Drench was not trying to dispel the Ioun Stone (the wondrous item) itself, but instead was trying to dispel Continual Flame spell that had been cast upon it, in order to be sold as an ioun torch.
Regardless of the fact that they gave ioun torch its own listing in the Wondrous items section - the descriptive text explains that it is not actually a wondrous item in and of itself. This is further confirmed by the pricing (75 gp), which is literally the cost of a dull grey ioun stone (25 gp) plus the cost of casting the spell continual flame (50 gp worth of ruby dust).
If an item crafter were to make it, and it were a unique wondrous item, the craft cost should be 37gp 5 sp (half the market price) but it is actually 62 gp 5 sp. Showing that the price of the ioun stone was halved, per normal craft rules, and then the crafter still needed to cast the spell continual flame at full price...
I agree now, with Saethori, that the spell was ineligible to be dispelled by drench (ex). However, if one were to cast Dispel Magic and target the Continual Flame spell, it would be extinguished permanently (and the ioun stone would continue being a fully functioning dull grey ioun stone - never having been the target of the dispel attempt)
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It can be dispelled or suppressed by several spells of level 2+ with the darkness description too. A good move for the ioun torch owner is to pay for a custom version, getting a heightened version of continual flame with a spell level of 4 and a caster level of 7+, that would proof it against most spells with the darkness descriptor and be relatively inexpensive.
It can be dispelled or suppressed by several spells of level 2+ with the darkness description too. A good move for the ioun torch owner is to pay for a custom version, getting a heightened version of continual flame with a spell level of 4 and a caster level of 7+, that would proof it against most spells with the darkness descriptor and be relatively inexpensive.
true. at the time, however, i was limited to the pair of water elementals that were blocking the PC's from crossing the moat as they attempted to get to the underground castle full of mundane hobgoblins that were shooting arrows at them.
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It can be dispelled or suppressed by several spells of level 2+ with the darkness description too. A good move for the ioun torch owner is to pay for a custom version, getting a heightened version of continual flame with a spell level of 4 and a caster level of 7+, that would proof it against most spells with the darkness descriptor and be relatively inexpensive.Nice game info and IMHO a sort of cool upgrade for a magic item that is in no way game breaking.
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After a few encounters with enemies using darkness and deeper darkness I had that made for my human magus. It lasted abut 2 levels, then our dark tapestry oracle dispelled it :(