Amulet of the blooded


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Hi,

I have a question about the amulet of the blooded. In this case, it's about the Fey version; I removed all other versions of this amulet from its descriotion. Note the price: only 10.000! A real bargain. It has a slight disadvantage, but that's as good as neglectable.

Advanced Character Guide wrote:

Amulet of the Blooded

Price Fey 10,000 gp; Slot neck; CL 9th; Weight 1 lb.; Aura moderate illusion

Each different type of amulet of the blooded grants its wearer powers from one sorcerer bloodline, but makes him vulnerable to attacks and effects that target creatures with the appropriate bloodline (such as a blood-hunting weapon). If a creature that already has the associated bloodline wears the amulet, the wearer does not gain the abilities listed below; instead, the effective level of his bloodline powers increases by 2. This effect does not stack with other abilities that increase the effective level of bloodline powers.

Fey: This drop of amber hangs on a silk cord. The wearer can turn invisible for 9 rounds per day (as greater invisibility). The rounds don't need to be consecutive. Three times per day, the wearer can make a melee touch attack to cause a creature to burst out laughing. That creature can take only a move action, but can defend itself normally. Once a creature has been affected by this laughter, it is immune to it for 24 hours. This is a mind-affecting effect. Moderate illusion; CL 9th; Craft Wondrous Item; Spells greater invisibility, hideous laughter.

Cost Fey 5,000 gp; Feats Craft Wondrous Item; Spells greater invisibility, creator must be a sorcerer of the appropriate bloodline.

Now, my question is not about the improved invisibility, but about the 3 times per day laughter property. Would the victim of this power get a saving throw against it?

Thanks in advance,

Kroisos.

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Kroisos wrote:

Hi,

I have a question about the amulet of the blooded. In this case, it's about the Fey version; I removed all other versions of this amulet from its descriotion. Note the price: only 10.000! A real bargain. It has a slight disadvantage, but that's as good as neglectable.

Advanced Character Guide wrote:

Amulet of the Blooded

Price Fey 10,000 gp; Slot neck; CL 9th; Weight 1 lb.; Aura moderate illusion

Each different type of amulet of the blooded grants its wearer powers from one sorcerer bloodline, but makes him vulnerable to attacks and effects that target creatures with the appropriate bloodline (such as a blood-hunting weapon). If a creature that already has the associated bloodline wears the amulet, the wearer does not gain the abilities listed below; instead, the effective level of his bloodline powers increases by 2. This effect does not stack with other abilities that increase the effective level of bloodline powers.

Fey: This drop of amber hangs on a silk cord. The wearer can turn invisible for 9 rounds per day (as greater invisibility). The rounds don't need to be consecutive. Three times per day, the wearer can make a melee touch attack to cause a creature to burst out laughing. That creature can take only a move action, but can defend itself normally. Once a creature has been affected by this laughter, it is immune to it for 24 hours. This is a mind-affecting effect. Moderate illusion; CL 9th; Craft Wondrous Item; Spells greater invisibility, hideous laughter.

Cost Fey 5,000 gp; Feats Craft Wondrous Item; Spells greater invisibility, creator must be a sorcerer of the appropriate bloodline.

Now, my question is not about the improved invisibility, but about the 3 times per day laughter property. Would the victim of this power get a saving throw against it?

Thanks in advance,

Kroisos.

Where is this from?

As written, no save. But I'm positive that wasn't intentional. Depending on the source this should probably be errated away soonish.


Spells that require touch attacks don't always require saves; for them, the touch attack is their chance to avoid it.

I'm more worried about the lack of a stated duration, though context would seem to imply only one round.


I agree with Saethori. It mandates a touch attack, so that's how the victim avoids it. No save is necessary; the touch attack is doing the heavy lifting here.

The lack of duration on the laughter effect is troubling. I would be inclined to say 1 round, but then I see it's based off a casting of Hideous Laughter, and that makes me think it might have a duration similar to the spell. It doesn't spell this out, so that's a huge problem.


The laughter ability is based on the sorcerer Fey bloodline power, so the duration is one round and there is no save. (See Laughing Touch)


Oncoming_Storm wrote:
Kroisos wrote:
I have a question about the amulet of the blooded.
Where is this from?

It's from the Advanced Class Guide.

Kroisos.


Saethori wrote:
Spells that require touch attacks don't always require saves; for them, the touch attack is their chance to avoid it.

Thanks. That makes sense.

Quote:
I'm more worried about the lack of a stated duration, though context would seem to imply only one round.

A point could also be made for looking at the spell necessary to create the item: hideous laughter. Its duration is one round per level which, at a CL of 9, would imply a duration of the effect of 9 rounds.

Kroisos.


Wonderstell wrote:
The laughter ability is based on the sorcerer Fey bloodline power, so the duration is one round and there is no save. (See Laughing Touch)

Which, for an amulet of the blooded, of course makes more sense than the suggestion of basing the duration on the duration of the spell cast to create the item.

I think the item's purpose is more important here than the mechanics of creating it.

Thanks all!

Kroisos.

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