Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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So I want to purchase a scroll of haste. Its on my spell list but the only issue is that Im a divine spellcaster. Haste isn't on the Cleric's spell list. If I understand the rules correctly do I just purchase it as a Wizard scroll and ignore the fact that its arcane?
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All scrolls in PFS are arcane and divine.One last question. I use the caster evel of the Wizard to UMD it and not what my character's caster level should be to cast it right?
It's caster level 5 because it's a wizard scroll. But it's divine because PFS says so. As long as you're caster level 5 you're good. The rules are vague on what to do about the casting stat. Since it's on your spell list and a divine scroll, if it were me I'd just go ahead and use wisdom.
Scratch that. I thought you were saying it was on your list (due to some archetype or your domain). Apparently my reading comprehension fails this morning.
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To UMD a wizard scroll as a Cleric remember you need the following two items. All outlined here.
1) You will first need to use a scroll: 20 + caster level. So you will need a UMD check of 25 (20 + 5th level caster) to cast the spell.
2) You will then (likely I'm assuming) need to emulate the 13 INT needed to cast the spell as a wizard. To do this you will need to "Emulate an Ability Score: To cast a spell from a scroll, you need a high score in the appropriate ability (Intelligence for wizard spells...Your effective ability score (appropriate to the class you're emulating when you try to cast the spell from the scroll) is your Use Magic Device check result minus 15. If you already have a high enough score in the appropriate ability, you don't need to make this check." In other words, if you roll a 25 (the check you needed), you'll only have an INT of 10 for casting the spell (not enough).
In other words, the target number for the UMD is 28.
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When a scroll in pfs is both arcane and divine it means that a scroll of stone shape doesn't care when its made by a wizard or a druid it would work for either, not that clerics can use it.
There's no requirement to be able to cast a spell to buy it, so you can buy it.
I believe that the vast majority of DM's consider your Domain spells to be on your spell list as long as they're your domains. (but no to the shennanigans that say that that opens it up to all clerics) so you don't need to UMD anything.
Claud : Should be caster level 5 spell level 3. It was made by a 5th level wizard.
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Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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All scrolls in PFS are arcane and divine.One last question. I use the caster evel of the Wizard to UMD it and not what my character's caster level should be to cast it right?
It's caster level 5 because it's a wizard scroll. But it's divine because PFS says so. As long as you're caster level 5 you're good. The rules are vague on what to do about the casting stat. Since it's on your spell list and a divine scroll, if it were me I'd just go ahead and use wisdom.Scratch that. I thought you were saying it was on your list (due to some archetype or your domain). Apparently my reading comprehension fails this morning.
I'm an Reliquaries Occultist with the Transmutation implement to be specific. Hence the divine haste.
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I'm an Reliquaries Occultist with the Transmutation implement to be specific. Hence the divine haste.All scrolls in PFS are arcane and divine.One last question. I use the caster evel of the Wizard to UMD it and not what my character's caster level should be to cast it right?
It's caster level 5 because it's a wizard scroll. But it's divine because PFS says so. As long as you're caster level 5 you're good. The rules are vague on what to do about the casting stat. Since it's on your spell list and a divine scroll, if it were me I'd just go ahead and use wisdom.Scratch that. I thought you were saying it was on your list (due to some archetype or your domain). Apparently my reading comprehension fails this morning.
Ah, looking back you actually did say it was on your spell list. Since the PFS-powers-that-be have said it can be either divine or arcane. Then it's my opinion that it's whatever works for you. If not, then there's not much point in having it be either.
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Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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Ah, looking back you actually did say it was on your spell list. Since the PFS-powers-that-be have said it can be either divine or arcane. Then it's my opinion that it's whatever works for you. If not, then there's not much point in having it be either.I'm an Reliquaries Occultist with the Transmutation implement to be specific. Hence the divine haste.All scrolls in PFS are arcane and divine.One last question. I use the caster evel of the Wizard to UMD it and not what my character's caster level should be to cast it right?
It's caster level 5 because it's a wizard scroll. But it's divine because PFS says so. As long as you're caster level 5 you're good. The rules are vague on what to do about the casting stat. Since it's on your spell list and a divine scroll, if it were me I'd just go ahead and use wisdom.Scratch that. I thought you were saying it was on your list (due to some archetype or your domain). Apparently my reading comprehension fails this morning.
Yeah I only brought it up because people were assuming I was Cleric and not the weirdest Divine caster in Pathfinder. Hell I think it may be the only Intelligence based casting build that is Divine.
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If I'm a wizard, it's on my list and I use Int. If I'm a sorcerer, it's on my list and I use Cha. If I'm a cleric and the spell is treated as on my spell list (due to UMD), would I use Wis?
You would use INT, as spell is not on the cleric spell list and you then have to go to the specified class that you're technically getting the scroll from, wizard.
Venture-Agent, Nebraska—Omaha
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If I'm a wizard, it's on my list and I use Int. If I'm a sorcerer, it's on my list and I use Cha. If I'm a cleric and the spell is treated as on my spell list (due to UMD), would I use Wis?You would use INT, as spell is not on the cleric spell list and you then have to go to the specified class that you're technically getting the scroll from, wizard.Again, if I make the UMD check, I'm casting the spell as if it was on my list.
But again, I'm just playing devil's advocate; I fully agree that what you're saying is RAI.
That's a weird little quirk of PFS not distinguishing between arcane/divine/psychic scrolls. For all you know, that scroll of haste was scribed by a cleric!