Flat footed with Leave an opening talent


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my question comes after this scenario:
vigilante stalker is after his target. target is completely unaware. Stalker uses his surprise round to special charge for some hidden strike (or if u have the talent up close and personal use that) damage. he has leave an opening talent as well. say they roll initiative and the prey goes first. the preys turn starts and the stalker gets an AOO from leave an opening.

the question then becomes does the stalker get the lowered hidden strike dice on this AOO and is the target flat footed since it "has not acted yet"?


Yes, it is the opponents turn so they count as being able to act and are not flat-footed, I think.

I only say this because it had been ruled previously that a character that delays his turn in combat still counts as not being flat-footed because he has had an opportunity to act, even though he didn't take an action.


im still iffy on that, because he hasnt had an opportunity to act, AOOs resolve before any other actions

The Concordance

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Since it happens at the beginning of the foe's turn, it isn't before the foe's turn. You are only flat-footed before your first turn in combat.

The foe is not flat-footed, they have begun their first turn in combat.

Scarab Sages

could someone quote the text of the talent so those of us who haven't bought UI actually know what's being discussed?


Leave an Opening* (Ex): The vigilante's hidden strike leaves an unbalancing opening in a foe's defenses, setting up the foe to be attacked again. At the beginning of the foe's next turn, if the vigilante threatens the foe, the foe provokes an attack of opportunity from the vigilante. Multiple attacks against the same foe don't create multiple attacks of opportunity in the same round (but attacks against several foes can cause each to provoke one attack of opportunity). Only a stalker vigilante can select this talent.

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