I think Teisatsu vigilante is one of the best martial classes, it's reakky strong and can be tier III if builded the right way.
What do you think?
Totally agree although I'm not sure if you can classify a D8 HD 3/4 BAB class as martial.
But here's the rundown of what Teisatu adds over Ninja:
Pros
-Vigilant Talents over Ninja Tricks (Talents being superior)
-Access to (1) Monk Ki-Powers
-Better Saves
-Social Talents
Cons
-Less Skill points
-No access to master tricks
-One less Talent (less than Ninja Tricks)
-Sneak Attack (for a generic build it's prolly slightly better)
-Access to more Ninja Tricks
-Access to regular Rogue Talents
-Evasion + Uncanny Dodge
-Poison Use (yeah that's a class feature...)
Totally agree although I'm not sure if you can classify a D8 HD 3/4 BAB class as martial.
But here's the rundown of what Teisatu adds over Ninja:
Pros
-Vigilant Talents over Ninja Tricks (Talents being superior)
-Access to (1) Monk Ki-Powers
-Better Saves
-Social TalentsCons
-Less Skill points
-No access to master tricks
-One less Talent (less than Ninja Tricks)
-Sneak Attack (for a generic build it's prolly slightly better)
-Access to more Ninja Tricks
-Access to regular Rogue Talents
-Evasion + Uncanny Dodge
-Poison Use (yeah that's a class feature...)
I think teisatsu is really strong for a non-caster class( TY PAIZO) and you can build one in differente manner. Laso he can copntribute really also in out oif combat situations, is a good archetype.
Actually the Teisatsu still has the Stalker Specialization so they can still get Evasive (Evasion + improved Evsaion) and Stalker Sense (Uncanny Dodge and Improved Uncanny Dodge).
They can also get Hide in Plain Sight.
Guess I stand corrected. I doubt we will see many Taisatu's trading their very precious Vigilante Talent slots for Evasion or Uncanny Dodge however.
Hide in Plain Sight at level 8 is really sweet, not quite as sweet as swift action improved invisibility but sweet none the less.
I'm pretty sure the Taisatu won't be available for PFS. Whenever I was hyped for a new Archetype it was immediately hit with the ban hammer...
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Actually the Teisatsu still has the Stalker Specialization so they can still get Evasive (Evasion + improved Evsaion) and Stalker Sense (Uncanny Dodge and Improved Uncanny Dodge).
They can also get Hide in Plain Sight.
Guess I stand corrected. I doubt we will see many Taisatu's trading their very precious Vigilante Talent slots for Evasion or Uncanny Dodge however.
Hide in Plain Sight at level 8 is really sweet, not quite as sweet as swift action improved invisibility but sweet none the less.
I'm pretty sure the Taisatu won't be available for PFS. Whenever I was hyped for a new Archetype it was immediately hit with the ban hammer...
Oh that's easy enough to fix, just unhype yourself until it gets allowed :3
More seriously, yeah, while I wouldn't spend a Talent for UD (unless that campaign had a f&&#ton of Rogues), Evasion and Improved Evasion is VERY tempting, especially with good Reflex saves.